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Alberto Ordaz Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 07:27 PM EST

Hello everyone, it's obvious. Have a HEROES/PUSHING DAISIES CROSSOVER! Haha. Obviously Ned has super powers, just work him and his friends into the plot (maybe another hero could bring Charlie back to life permanently), remove some of the other characters (I'm looking at you Mohinder) and tada! Perfection.

sera Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 05:33 PM EST

Pushing Dasies is only being Cancelled so Fuller can go back to Heroes. Heroes has gone down hill in so many ways. I tried to get into the new season, and I LOST intrest they have to many story lines going on all at once. Damn that Man. Giving us great shows like Dead Like Me and Pushing Daisies to just KILL them for a crap show like heroes...

leigh Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 06:26 AM EST

I still like Heroes. Fuller coming back would definitely improve it, though.

soandso Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:34 AM EST

Why is everyone saying he didn't fight for it? He has. And he's planning now on working on a comic continuation of Pushing Daisies with DC, and hopefully a movie later. The sets are already gone. There's nothing more he can do. If the network doesn't pick it up, it doesn't pick it up. He was telling people to try and get everyone they knew to watch the show in hopes of improving the ratings, but it just wasn't enough for ABC, apparently.

lacrymologyst Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:15 AM EST

"..."Company Man," an episode with a streamlined, single-character focus that is often cited as a model the jam-packed ensemble show should follow moving forward"

i loved that episode, but i've got to call out EW here... they are the ONLY ones i've heard pushing for this format. they've printed this point of view more than once, but they're the only ones saying this. EW prints it's opinion with words like "it is often cited", when it's only cited by EW. whatever fans like or dislike about Heroes, it's not EW's place to dictate what they should do moving forward. EW can dislike heroes all it wants to, but don't insult your readers by trying to influence their collective opinion. EW is trying to sell you (the reader) on how it thinks the show could be better, by telling you that everyone feels the same way. stay classy, EW.

PhAzE Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:51 PM EST

Heroes needs some connections in their episodes, i mean the series runs episode to episode, but the continuity and storyline connections just aren't there this season. I sitll like it, but it's dropped. One show that NEVER diappoints still is Dexter, easily one of the best shows on TV for 3 years straight.

Alex Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:06 PM EST

Jay - NBC let go of Scrubs... It was an ABC property and NBC didn't want it anymore, so ABC picked it up and is giving it a second life. Get your facts straight.

Jay Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:39 PM EST

or here's a thought...bring Pushing Daisies to NBC!!! ABC stole Scrubs from them why can't NBC do the same with Pushing Daisies....

Rob Grizzly Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:22 PM EST

I find it hard to believe that the show can turn around instantly just because one writer returns. The real problem comes straight from the man in charge- Tim Kring

raven Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 09:41 PM EST

Hopefully Bryan will work his magic on Heroes and fix it before it's too late. I don't know why so many of his shows get canceled, so many are so good. I loved Dead Like Me, for example, and now it's gone.

PD fan Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 07:35 PM EST

So fun seeing the Muffin Buffalo lady on Pushing Daisies this week. Awesome shout-out to Wonderfalls, I loved that show, it's one of my favorite sets of DVD's.

Brod Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 06:41 PM EST

Pushing Daisies was the highlight of my TV watching schedule. I am quickly losing interest in the other shows; private practice, grey's, ugly betty, even desperate housewives storyline is getting to be redundant. PD was a breath of fresh air in a primetime slot normally filled with shows focused on shock value and cheap/unintelligent writing. PD was beautifully written, and the lovable characters will be sorely missed :( Sorry ABC, you just lost a faithful viewer.

noooo not pushing daisies Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 06:26 PM EST

It's too late to save Heroes, that show is done. But Pushing Daisies has a ton of potential and is just plain good. This is a sad day :(

Mikey M Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 06:23 PM EST

Heroes has been a mess this year. Its like they are just making things up each episode. The dialogue is terrible, the characters are not fun to watch anymore and the plots have just been moronic.
Lets make Sylar a romantic lead this week. Lets make him mean this week. Lets take their powers away this week and then give them back next week. Its like someone have put a bunch of game pieces on a board and are moving them around.
Get rid of Matt and Suresh (sp?) and Sylar.
These character have out stayed their welcome or maybe it's just the people writing this stuff.
Check out a Smallville episode to see how characters can interract and have a common goal and have some good action thrown in to.

Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:56 PM EST

A lot of people here seem to assume they know what Bryan did or was doing. Seems to me, based on my experience watching good shows fall, that if he was truly fighting for it, the fans would have heard... SOMETHING. Look at his comment after the show was cancelled, it is very flippant.

You want proof he gave up on the writing of the show this season-- There were THREE major plotpoints moving the plot of the characters forward this season. Only 3. Ned meeting his brothers, Chuck finding out about her mom and Chuck saving her dad from death. All the other episodes were just a mystery of the week.

I love the show, I wish Bryan well. I just wish he took the time to write something for the last episode that will give us fans some kind of closure, because if it goes forward as is, I'm pretty sure a lot of fans like me are really going to be angry at the end.

Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:50 PM EST

I'm not saying Bryan killed the show, I'm saying Bryan didn't take the time to write a suitable ending for it.

Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:50 PM EST

I'm not saying Bryan killed the show, I'm saying Bryan didn't take the time to write a suitable ending for it.

Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:49 PM EST

Lucas, it's naive to think Fuller and the other writers didn't see it coming. They had a chance to make a change. Yeah, ABC pulled the plug, but Fuller didn't take the time to go to the next step with the story. And if you don't think he can do it-- look at the last episode of Wonderfalls.

Autrocity77 Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:36 PM EST

Ok, I liked Pushing Daisies and I LOVE Heroes.

For those of you wondering why he doesn't take it to another network that is becuase PD's ratings would have had to of improved for it to be in the toilet. Other networks do not want shows that couldn't make it elsewhere no matter how critically acclaimed it was.

And why does everyone assume Fuller didn't fight for Daisies? He was working with Barry Sonnenfeld on a package deal to relaunch Daisies in the fall. ABC was not interested because it simply did not pull in the ratings. It's as simple as that so please stop second guessing Fuller's commitment to Daisies.

As sad as I am to see PD go, I am thrilled he will be coming back to pitch in on Heroes. I personally am loving the show this season, but I do get that there are problems that plague it and Bryan coming in with a fresh perspective will move it forward. It will never be what it was in S1 becuase S1 is over. The horse is dead; quit beating it.

pw Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:27 PM EST

i'm a lover of PD so it kills me that heroes is getting him now BUT i think it has to be emphasized that the show's fate was never in bryan's hands. if you look at his previous work (wonderfalls, dead like me) there is no way he would not have fought hard to keep pushing daisies alive -- creative, whimsical, critically acclaimed television dramedy is obviously the man's gift. but as much support as the show had from bryan and the cast/crew, if the abc brass didn't feel like keeping it, then there's not much bryan and co could have done, unless they had excess money to throw into production. pushing daisies is supposed to be one of the most expensive shows to produce on tv, and i can believe it, given the fabulous wardrobe, ever changing sets and effects, and that $ tag is another main reason why it won't be picked up by another network -- no one has the money to fund such an expensive show, even if it's one of the best things on tv right now.

anyway, enough of my babble, i just wanted to clear up some of the misconceptions. also, bryan has gone on record in many an interview saying that he's planning on wrapping up the remaining storylines of pushing daisies in comic form and then hopefully he'll be able to do a movie to cap off the series.

oh and count me as one of the many who look forward to seeing what bryan develops in the future for nbc...assuming it doesn't die an early death :(

Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:17 PM EST

Really?? They want MORE shows like Pushing Daisies and Wonderfalls? Then whey do THEY keep canceling them???

R.O.B. Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:17 PM EST

Here is the easiest thing in the world: Make the heroes become HEROES. Every episode focuses on one set of heroes in a situation where they - get this - actually have to rescue normal people and save the day. A live-action Superfriends. I could get behind that. As it stands, NBC, I have three unwatched episodes of Heroes piled up in my DVR and half a dozen new excuses not to watch them that pop up on the DVR every day.

Lucas Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:17 PM EST

lets get one thing straight. Fuller didn't just decide to flip off all the pushing daisies fan a big finger. ABC took away his ability to finish the story by cutting the show short. put the blame where it belongs

Twilight_Fan Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 04:51 PM EST

First, I will deeply miss Pushing Daisies. It was the best show ABC had, besides LOST. However, I truly hope that Fuller's return to Heroes will give the show a central purpose again. It went on for a few episodes with pretty much no plot, or purpose to what anyone was doing. Many of the storylines are more than a bit boring and they need to bring the focus back to the original, core characters, because the new ones suck, with the exception of Elle, who was just killed out of the blue. Also, please stop back-and-forthing with Sylar. Let him get on the path to goodness or stay evil. Dont flip-flop. Get the characters back to a real mission, not just wandering around doing nothing. One great thing about Season 1 was seeing them all with powers, but still living their normal lives. Now, they all just run around hunting each other down. The show has become all about the action, not about the characters. Hopefully, Fuller can repair the damage done to this once-great show.

Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 04:50 PM EST

I guess there are two ways to look at this:

1. Bryan Fuller is a worker who found another job after losing one. Good job!

2. Bryain Fuller is a storyteller who is leaving his audience without an ending which is a crappy thing to do to the audience that supported your story up until this point. As a storyteller you may not owe your audience an explanation for anything, but you should try to work for an ending to the material. My point is if he knew that this was coming months ago (And it was obvious he did with his hints about Heroes for a while), he had a chance to make changes to the last two episodes... He chose not to.

I hate to say it, but I am disappointed in Fuller... But from what I understand the set has already been taken down so we should just accept the fact that it is over. Damn.

Tony Grimes Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 03:43 PM EST

Maybe Bryan Fuller didn't fight for pushing daisies because he fought so hard for wonderfalls with no success. I don't understand how all these crummy shows can stay on for so long and shows like 'Firefly, Pushing Daisies, Wonderfalls, etc.' get canned before they ever get started.

John Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 03:05 PM EST

Fuller is simply not interested in fighting yet another losing battle to keep one of his babies on TV . . . between this and his other two shows, I'm sure he's had his share of hopes raised and dashed. ABC has lowered the axe, and Fuller has chosen to see the glass as half-full, moving on to his next opportunity (as I'm sure his actors are working on doing as well) instead of clinging to a pipe dream. And just because we haven't been reading it doesn't mean that Fuller didn't try. I admire the positivity with which he reacted to the cancellation and the discipline of finding his next opportunity. I, for one, will be watching.

Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 02:53 PM EST

Where are the secret updates from the creator saying I am trying this channel or this one? Where is the hint asking for support from fans? Buffy, Firefly, Arrested Development had more of a fight than this from their creator... Heck, even Everwood had more of a fight. Fuller was looking for a new job months ago.

Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 02:48 PM EST

I truly believe that if Fuller was really interested in fighting for Daisies or trying to get Daisies on another station he would not have kept quiet. He would want the fans to support him, send pies or something, sign a petition, show their love. Instead silence, hints of going to work for Heroes and that's it... Fuller wanted Daisies to die, that is the sad truth. His silence and his lack of interest in fighting for it says it all.

ccross Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:55 PM EST

Sometimes the creators are a little helpless; they're at the mercy of the networks just like rest of the industry. While Joss was able to transfer Buffy and later move rights for Firefly to NBC Universal in order to make a movie, take Enterprise--the fans actually raised the money for another season, the cast happily agreed to work for scale, and still Paramount refused even though it would have meant nothing but profit for them. Personally I adored Pushing Daisies, but it certainly didn't get the attention it deserved from the network; maybe Fuller really upset some network exec during the strike or something?

Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:21 PM EST

Huh? or whomever your name is I think you need to look at the history of the fall of Pushing Daisies a little more carefully. Bryan Fuller was hinting in the fall that he would be interested in going back to Heroes. And as a creator (and the running of the living dead productions), he can investigate into other options regarding channels and the shows (Joss did it with Buffy, remember?). Creators are not that impotent. For some reason Fuller phoned out of the show this season and feels no pressure to fight for it, nor even to create an ending for his fans (Comic book ending... right?). Personally, I would love to know when Fuller fell out of love with the show. That would be an interesting story.

shea Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:54 PM EST

Bryan Fuller is so awesome. He's really going to do well in helping out heroes. I hope Fugitives goes well this february because it premieres the day after the superbowl!

t3hdow Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:45 PM EST

To The Listener:
I would buy your theory, if 24 and Lost went downhill equally quickly, but they didn't. Even though both shows had inventive, groundbreaking first seasons, the creators for both shows found many different ways to keep audiences invested, thanks to involving storylines and increasingly complex characters. Even years later, many viewers consider Lost season 4 and 24 season 5 to be the greatest offerings in both series' runs, and both haven't hit their last legs quite yet. Heroes, I admit, is entertaining on the surface, but lately, the plot's misdirection and its wildly inconsistent character motivations don't display a show that's constantly evolving. Instead, it shows one that's barely hanging on by a thread.
It's not uncommon for shows to have a drop in quality occasionally (e.g., the meandering pacing of Lost season 2, the Tritter arc in House season 3, most of 24 season 6), but Heroes lost its footing since the end of season 1 and hasn't regained it since.

ccross Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:42 PM EST

"NBC Universal will surely want the popular writer to create more buzzworthy shows in the vein of Daisies and his old cult hit Wonderfalls."

You mean wonderful, witty and unique shows it just can't WAIT to cancel?! If so, then we have our long-awaited (if inadvertant) honesty from a network.

I don't have necessarily have a problem in the direction Heroes is going in, but it's definitely a mess in certain respects--Gaping plot holes, inconsistencies, deus-ex-machina usage of time travel like I've never seen before. Maybe Fuller can whip it back into shape; he's a master storyteller.

Anthony Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:13 PM EST

I can't stand people bashing on Hero's this season. It's fun, exciting, unexpected, campy when it needs to be, creates just as many questions as it does answers, keeps every character involved in the storyline although they are all in their own places. Does the show seem blurred and unfocused? To anyone just tuning in for the first time, probably, but it does have a destination and the characters do have purpose. Watch the show to enjoy it, not critique it. The plot twists and turns are surprising and definitely leave you expecting the unexpected. This show is great and I haven’t notice anything different from the first season till now. You all just sound bitter because last season was cut short. I know I’ll enjoy it this coming Monday.

bostonbean Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM EST

Well maybe heroes will be watchable again. I hope whatever show Bryan comes up with next will be more like Dead Like Me, a little more grounded so it'll help bring in viewer who were scared off by the fairytale non-template following pushing daisies. I love love his stuff, but every time something of his gets cancelled for not getting enough viewers, it breaks my heart. I'd rather he tone down his genius if that means his shows last longer.

To The Listener Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:10 AM EST

The reason this show has lost it's quality is because they are writing it as it goes along with no clear direction. The characters have no clear motivation for their actions, and some things just plain don't make sense. I'm sorry, and I do love the show, but you cannot for one second tell me that Noah waiting for Elle and Sylar to finish having relations before he shoots at them with the sniper rifle was a good idea. For what little good parts (Noah stalking S & E, Hiro getting rid of the "Bad Man"), there are far too many bad parts (waiting for post-coital sniping, leaving his glasses in the supermarket after "killing" Sylar, Sylar killing Elle for no reason). It just needs focus, and maybe hopefully Bryan Fuller can give it that.

chris Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:08 AM EST

What is it with Bryan Fuller and great series being cancelled? He had pushing daises, wonderfalls, and my favorite - Dead Like Me.

JMJ Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:07 AM EST

Heroes is already pushing daisies at this point and not even the Pie Man's touch can save it. That show is just over, and yet inventive and amazing shows like Daisies get canceled. There is no justice in this world - only money.

Huh? Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:04 AM EST

Why do you all assume Fuller just dropped Pushing Daisies and didn't fight for it? Do you have any idea what it takes to keep a show on the air? The creator has nothing to do with it, unless he has a few million dollars to give the network to keep the show running. It's a shame, because I do like the show, even though it can be Seussian at times, but unfortunately the decision was made not to renew it. Sadly enough, it looks like it was done without even giving them a chance to bring the show to an end, so we will be left wondering on a lot of points. Now...can he save Heroes? Honestly, if Pushing Daisies can be cancelled, I don't see why this show shouldn't be. I somehow still love it, despite the horrible writing of late, but I think it had its run in Season One and should've been left at that.

The Listener Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:00 AM EST

I don't know why everyone's criticizing Heroes. I've found every episode exciting with interesting and unexpected plot twists. I think people loved it so much the 1st season because it was something new and different on TV. But now that the novelty has worn off, people are criticizing it because it's not new. It hasn't lost any of the excitement. We're all just used to it now.

Lammie Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 09:49 AM EST

I don't care about Heroes. I love Pushing Daisies. Last night's episode was great, and it annoys me no end that this wonderfully imaginative and entertaining show will just end without any kind of wrap up. He should try to find somewhere else for Daisies to air.

Kate Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 09:42 AM EST

Unless this new show is *exactly* like Pushing Daisies, I am unimpressed with Bryan Fuller. I mean surely he could've actually tried to get the show picked up. Pushing Daisies was so great, and it would be such a shame to let it die.

Anitamargarita Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 09:35 AM EST

Vic Nardozza, I'm talking to you.

Anitamargarita Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 09:34 AM EST

Someone PLEASE explain to me how Pushing Daisies could be described as pretentious. Because it's different? Seriously, why?

Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 08:49 AM EST

It's obvious that Bryan isn't even bothering to fight for Pushing Daisies. Isn't he even going to try another station or possibility for critically-acclaimed show? I respect him, but, as a fan, this is really disheartening that he could so easily walk away.

Cyndie Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 05:04 AM EST

I would like Bryan Fuller to get started on a new show...not try to resuscitate a dead one.

Also, Lee Pace needs a starring role, ASAP!

av17 Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 03:46 AM EST

P.S. In regards to Hiro, stop making him the comic foil and start showing us how he becomes the Bad-"A" we saw from the future in season one.

av17 Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 03:44 AM EST

I don't think Fuller will be writing very long for Heroes. It better get with it if it's going to come back next year. This show may go down as the biggest drop off for a show since it's first season ever. Really, has there ever been a more ridiculous story line than Hiro's on anything not named Twin Peaks? I truly hope they can salvage this show, the first season was one of the best seasons of sci-fi television that I can remember.

Lindsey Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 03:25 AM EST

Why doesn't NBC just pick up Pushing Daisies?? It has nothing lose! It's already the lowest rated network.

Come on NBC, give Pushing Daisies a chance! ABC took Scrubs, now you take their show!!

Cara Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 02:15 AM EST

Here's the plan: fire Kring and replace him with Fuller. Ta da!

Phil Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:48 AM EST

While it's great that Brian Fuller is getting work, I don't think it'll make much difference if Tim Kring is still plaguing Heroes. He is the real problem--NOT Loeb or Alexander. And the fact that NBC is being totally mis-run by Ben Silverman and his glorified assistant Teri Weinberg doesn't bode very well for any series he develops in the future for the network. If anyone can do it, it's him, as he has one of the most imaginative minds in TV. Josh Schwartz was able to pull it off, maybe Fuller can take Heroes' Mo/9 timeslot when it gets canceled.

john t. Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:45 AM EST

everything bryan fuller touches turns to gold. i'm interested to see what new and creative show he'll come up with next. as for heroes, unfortunately i gave up on the show three episodes ago. bryan's return won't get me back onto the series.

blueberry Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:41 AM EST

Wow, what's with the Pushing Daisies hate?

After Heroes Season 1 (the only season that counts in my book) and Pushing Daisies, I recently checked out Wonderfalls and I have to say that I've become a huge fan of Bryan Fuller.

I'll watch anything he makes. If NBC has one last shred of intelligence, then it would give this guy free reigns to make anything in the future.

bruno Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:34 AM EST

it's too late. heroes is BROKEN dudes. kill the cheerleader. just wrap her in a tarp, shove her in the trunk, and drive the car over a cliff already.

Travis Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:18 AM EST

Pushing Daises was lame, y'all. Interesting idea, c r a p execution. It blew, and deserved to be cancelled. Hope he can do his best to fix Heroes.

Vic Nardozza Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:11 AM EST

Pushing Daisies blows. It's the most pretentious show on television. I'd rather see Fuller resurrect Heroes than continue with that clap trap.

M Weyer Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 01:09 AM EST

As someone who actually LIKES this season of Heroes and LOVED Daisies, I do think Fuller can be a help but the show is nowhere near the death watch so many people subscribe to.

Luisa Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:38 AM EST

SCREW HEROES. That show can go choke on its on bile for all I care. As if that makes up in any way at all for the loss of Pushing Daisies? Bryan Fuller should've fought harder for the show. He seems pretty happy to just run off to that other show. Hmmph.

Natasha Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:35 AM EST

I think Bryan Fuller should not help Heroes out, but have NBC pick up Pushing Daisies, and make my life complete again.

chris Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:22 AM EST

Heroes had it's chance with Fuller. If I can't have Daisies, than Fuller should create a new show for me to watch! He is truly a unique voice and Heroes is an over wrought, over worked mess.