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The 'Watchmen' war: Fanboys furious with Fox

Aug 20, 2008, 10:09 AM | by Hollywood Insider

Categories: 'Watchmen', Movie Biz

Watchmen_lTwentieth Century Fox's war with Warner Bros. over rights to Watchmen has sparked fan outrage across the Web following a published report that Fox is seeking to prevent Zack Snyder's $100 million-plus comic book adaptation from ever being released, a report that most reasonable people and several informed sources believe just isn't accurate. Those familiar with the situation tell EW.com that despite the legal mess over rights, Fox isn't actually interested in suppressing Snyder’s film — they just want affirmation of ownership and/or restitution, and there are many scenarios by which Fox could get paid, including a cash settlement or distribution rights to the film. Either way, look for Watchmen to be released, as scheduled, on March 6, 2009.

Caught in the crossfire of murky legal vollies and overheated online venting: some of Fox's biggest upcoming films, including a remake of The Day The Earth Stood Still, starring Keanu Reeves, and 2009's other hotly anticipated superhero flick, Fox’s own X-Men Origins: Wolverine, starring Hugh Jackman and slated for a May 1, 2009 release. In the wake of a report in Tuesday's Daily Variety asserting that “Fox … would rather see [Watchmen] killed instead of collecting a percentage at the box office,” comic books fans hit the boards at EW.com and deadlinehollywood.com vowing to punish Fox for denying them the chance to see Snyder’s long-awaited movie by boycotting various Fox films. Over at comics2film.com, Watchmen fans also blustered about a ban and even floated the idea of damaging Wolverine in particular via piracy — presumably, by making a crappy cam recording of the film and posting it somewhere on the Internet for illegal download.

It’s hard to imagine a boycott or a digital pirate attack could significantly skewer Wolverine’s prospective box office, even if they did actually come to pass. Fanboys are pretty amped for Jackman’s franchise bid — the trailer Fox showed at Comic-Con killed — and a vast majority of geeks probably shy away from doing anything that will rile up a small army of Fox lawyers armed with court orders. Still, Fox is counting on those fanboys' dollars to make Wolverine profitable, and alienating them risks creating bad PR. Should this boycott blather intensify throughout the fall, it will no doubt put Jackman in the unenviable position of fielding questions about the controversy during the tubthumping to come for his big Oscar-baiting epic, Australia, also a Fox production. (Needless to say, such drama would also create more awareness for Watchmen.)

Asked for a response to the fan uproar, a Fox spokesman said in a statement: “Of course we are concerned about the fans; however, any disappointment from the core fans should not be directed toward Fox. What we are doing is seeking to enforce our distribution rights to Watchmen. Legal copyright ownership should not just be swept under the rug and ignored.”

One question many observers have had about this situation is the timing of the lawsuit. Fox filed its complaint back in February — just as Snyder was wrapping production on Watchmen. The assumption many are making is that Fox stood by and did nothing as Warner Bros. actively and publicly developed and produced a movie it had no right to make, and then, at a maximum moment of leverage, sandbagged its rival with a lawsuit. And yet, according to a Fox source, studio lawyers contacted Warner Bros. about the distribution rights issue several times prior to the start of production but were rebuffed.

All of this would seem to suggest that Warner Bros. either massively screwed up or is pretty darn certain that Fox is grossly mistaken. In a statement issued to the press on Tuesday, a Warner Bros. spokesman said: “We respectfully disagree with Fox's position and do not believe they have any rights in and to this project." But the studio also made the claim that the judge in the case, Judge Gary Allen Fees, "did not opine at all on the merits, other than to conclude that Fox satisfied the pleading requirements.” This is technically true. But the tenor of Fees’ edict does sound rather leading. For example: "It is particularly noteworthy that nothing on the face of the complaint or the documents supplied to the Court establishes that [Watchmen producer Larry] Gordon, the claimed source of Warner Brothers' interest in Watchmen, ever acquired any rights in Watchmen."

At the very least, the judge’s order seems to put Warner Bros. and Gordon in the position of producing proof that clearly shows that Fox is wrong, or confuses the situation so much that the judge will have no choice but to throw them into a slime pit and let them slug this thing out. (If you want to examine the legalese yourself, check it out here.) Regardless, the two most likely outcomes are: 1. Warner Bros. wins. 2. Warner Bros. offers Fox a big fat settlement and Fox takes it. They could certainly use the bump after a weak summer season in which none of its films crossed the $100 million threshold.


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I thought there was no way this film could be done, now that it looks like Snyder was gonna pull it of Fox steps in? If they don't want bad feelings directed at them then the need to work ou a deal to get a cut and not block the moive. Now if this is all a ploy to build more buzz fine, but Fox has made some boneheaded moves in the past. If they block this film that is the last buck they will get from me. Which is a shame I was looking foward to Wolverine.

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craig Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 01:25 PM EST

I'm going 2 start spray painting over posters from 20th century fox films with "Who Watches the Watchmen?" at my local theater. F### FOX!

samir england Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 04:09 PM EST

i m a big fan of wolverine and not much of watchmen...but i would definitly boycott wolverine and fox greedy bastard for doing that...i say lets bring thoes wankers down!

Ace Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 03:03 AM EST

Jeremiah Zero, you're funny. This is going to be the perfect movie version of this film. Have you kept up on it? It's shaping up to be scarily faithful.

@ Walter:

Haha, what a bunch of conspiracy theorist bullcrap. There was nothing about TDK that was anti-Bush, and Fox isn't trying to block this movie because of their right wing owner. They just want the money.

And 9/11 was NOTHING like chapter 12 of Watchmen. What an idiotic and insenstive thing to say. Sometimes people's lack of rationalism really surprises me.

Larkin Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 03:39 PM EST

Fox has had only one 100 million dollar hit this entire year, and they have had at least 4 summer flops. This is partially because of adding religious undertones to most of their films. The studio controls the creative aspect of their films way to much and results in crappy movies. This lawsuit is an act of desperation.

Walter Joseph Kovacs Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 08:24 PM EST

Hurm.
On the morning of 9-11, all I could think of was, " It's Chapter 12 of 'Watchmen'".
FOX does not want this movie shown.
Especially after the Batman movie, so critical of Bush Administration policies, was so successful.
Enk.

Another female fan Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 04:43 PM EST

'fanboy, fanboy, fanboy'. Huh. Not even going to bother with those statements...

In other news, Fox is claiming that they altogether do NOT want it to be released at all. That would be the absolute most cruel joke in the world, huh? How hilarious would it be if enough of us [the fans that DO wish to see this come to light] sued FOX for causing momentary depression, anxiety, and emotional distress? Seriously though, FOX is pretty known to royally F*CK something up. First it was Buffy, then Firefly, and their tiff with Family Guy. I mean, seriously? When I picture the person leading all of this Fox sh*t, I see an 8 year old child in a business suit saying 'but, IIIII wanna make the movie!!!' 'I'm sorry, dear, you lost your chance.' 'Well if you don't give me what I want, I'm going to make EVERYONE pay!!! Wahhhhhh! Wahhhhh! Wahhhhhh!'.

Hope Persen Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 01:44 AM EST

I will burn a FOX logo in effigy on the streets. I SWEAR TO GOD. I'm boycotting Wolverine. It can't possibly be as good as Watchmen anyway.

Tiff Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:28 PM EST

Ingoditrust....um, that's the whole point of Watchmen. You obviously haven't read it or I should say you haven't read it and understood it. It's pointing out how flawed we are as humans. Even a God fearing human, or God loving human for that matter is flawed. Also, read a thing or two about what a satanist is. Those who claim to be satanists who "worship the devil" don't know anything about satanism. It's more about worshiping yourself than satan. Not that I condone it. Alan Moore does follow what you might call a pagan god, but that does NOT make him satanic. As far as the characters "playing our lord" once again that's the whole point. It's to show us the things we've forgotten as humans in our messed up world.

Andrew Steven Harris Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:28 AM EST

Since I have a legal background, I just blogged about this in detail over on my site:

Tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/56klq8

It'd be an interesting case if it ever went to trial, but that'll never happen.

Jeremiah Zero Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 01:58 AM EST

If you ask me, the best that could possibly come from all of this (even though it won't) is that the film gets shelved... forever.

There is no possible way this film is going to be anything but a pale bastardization of the graphic novel, especially with Snyder at the helm.

How are you going to feel after your fight is won, when the movie finally makes it to the big screen, and it's just another shallow, slow-motion shitfest like 300? Betrayed?

InGodiTrust Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:28 AM EST

You fools, Watchmen is liberal Godless garbage catering to the hipster pseudo-intellectual crowd that sip starbucks in Berkeley, while hanging in a true.

Alan Moore practices satanic magic and has you all cast in a spell, idolizing a bald man with blue balls.

the characters are evil, playing our Lord, killing at will... shame.

Alex Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:05 PM EST

If in any way this results in the Watchmen movie being canned, I will f-cking riot in the streets.

Sane Conservative Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 05:01 PM EST

Well, Liberals have their own wackos, we have xinunus.

Turner Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 02:38 PM EST

They could have gotten the injunction to keep it from being filmed in the first place rather than wait for it to be completed. I don't believe for a minute that they waited until it was done because Warner hadn't returned their phone calls. Actors were cast, sets were built and no injunction back then? I hate Fox.

Brian Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 02:10 PM EST

Hey "xinunus"

Read the f*cking book.

Then look at the information within it that states that it was originally published in 1985.

But I guess facts would get in the way of your brilliant argument against the threat of the millions of American socialists like me. 'Cause everyone who disagrees you is totally a socialist. Yep.

Idiot.

Conners Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 01:49 PM EST

Xenusus:
TL;DR.

Fox needs to back down. All they do by keeping the talks of a LOLsuit up is alienate people that might otherwise not really care about them. If they want so desperately to add to the long line of fail with Firefly, go for it. I just better not hear youFox taking pot shots at Preacher's bid for moviedom, or I'm going to go much farther than a boycott.

@mindbender Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 01:35 PM EST

Actually, it's not that simple. Where do you think WB will try to make up the money they'll lose to Fox? By showing the film more times per day... how will they acheive that? By cutting the run time even further than they already want to. So actually, the Fox issue could have an effect on the actual film we finally get to see.

minderbinder Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 01:07 PM EST

Why would anyone care about stopping Fox? If they really own the rights, they should get a cut of the money in one way or another.

There's no way this movie will get shelved or even delayed. It will be released no matter what, the only question is whether Fox will get a cut of the money or not. And whether they do makes zero difference to fans, so who cares?

All this misplaced freaking out and bile...just keep your pants on already, fanboys.

hurm66 Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:45 PM EST

I've been waiting a very long time for this film to be made - it seems like bad behaviour on both sides, but they wouldn't stop this film from being released.

This is the Holy Grail of graphic novels/comic books.

Xinunus to call this socialist propaganda is dangerously ignorant. Just like those you constantly accuse Fox News of being disingenuous when CNN has always slanted to the left and had several very serious cred issues lately.

Besides Obama is just an empty suit and McCain is alright, but a little nutty. The day is coming when we will have a legitimate third and possibly fourth party and the true color of the country will be represented (not blue or red but rather purple).

Drew Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM EST

This is bull.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlkou5MtAdU

Xinunus, I love you Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM EST

Sorry, that should read:

Do you really think Nixon wouldn't have jumped at the opportunity to have more power and have his name not synonnomous with political corruption? Remember, this is the guy from Watergate.

Thanks for reading! Remember to watch Stanford Football's opening game the day of the Democratic National Convention! It's gunna be on TV, so they want to fill up those seats! Buy a ticket or 10, and I'll see you there!

Xinunus, I love you Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:08 PM EST

ah, xinunus. i love people like you. not really, it's just funny to read. do you really think that anyone who doesn't believe in your über-conservative beliefs is an evil brainwashed liberal? Can't you appreciate the genius of Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons' masterpiece without throwing politics into the mix? Seriously, do you really think that if Nixon could have had an extremely long presidential term, not have his name be synonymous with political scandals? It's a pitiful thing to see people like you blame all of their problems and everything they don't like on "Liberals." All you're doing is alienating people, and making them not like you. Btw, Fox should not file a suit about this AFTER THEY START PRODUCTION! They knew a Watchmen movie was coming out. They are just money-grubbing whores. Not to say WB is in the right, just less in the wrong. And if you haven't been pissed at Fox since they became the least fair and balanced news place ever, I don't know what to say.

shodan Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:04 PM EST

Chris : Saying something is "So 1990" is actually quite 1990. Get over yourself.

Autopath Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:50 AM EST

Well you can all sign this petition to help try to stop Fox. It has almost 1000 signatures already.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/FOXBoycott/

Autopath Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:50 AM EST

Well you can all sign this petition to help try to stop Fox. It has almost 1000 signatures already.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/FOXBoycott/

Jesse James Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:34 AM EST

I hate fox. First they cancel the best show ever, Firefly, and then they pull this crap -

“Fox … would rather see [Watchmen] killed instead of collecting a percentage at the box office,”

B- Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:03 AM EST

If I were the WB I would get a DVD Screener version of Wolverine and put it out there in the streets the way a meanspirited person did to American Gangster. I can recall seeing a DVD Quality Copy of American Gangster out there, 2 weeks before it was released. Who's to say someone wouldn't be as upset to pull that again. FOX had better play this one right. They already have a reputation for being an unfriendly studio to Film Makers. Piss off the fans and you really got a big problem.

Chris Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:44 AM EST

This article is stupid. "Fanboys"? They have no bearing on success or failure. How many times did the "fanboys" have to see Dark Knight to make it the #2 box office earner of all time?

This article is so 1990. It's not just fanboys that enjoy comic book based movies anymore. Wake up, hollywood insider.

Stupid article.

sandraa Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:14 AM EST

FOX AND WB ACTING LIKE TWO SNOTTY LITTLE KIDS PLAYING IN THEIR SANDBOX NOT WANTING TO SHARE THEIR TOYS!.....HA HA HA!!!

sandraa Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:12 AM EST

MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL!!!

Finneas Q. Sassafrass Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:33 AM EST

"Watchman is an attempt at making a LIBERAL SOCIALIST Super Hero into a movie. DO ANY OF YOU EVEN KNOW THE STORY BEHIND THIS SUPERHERO??"

There is no Watchman. YOU don't know the story behind this super hero. YOU represent everything that is stubborn, ignorant and uninformed about this country. You're the kind of person who boycotts movies, books and video games before you've ever sen, read or played them. You are a sad, miserable excuse for a human being who has clearly bee spoon-fed just as much extreme conservative garbage as you just accused anyone from attending public schools as swallowing on the liberal side of things. You fail to see any sort of middle ground and therefore present yourself as a babbling moron. Please note I'd feel the same way if you were barking up the tree of some whacked out, extremely liberal point of view. So please, just never open your mouth or type anything on a computer ever, ever again.

dan Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 08:22 AM EST

I feel so bad for people like xinunus. Unable to comprehend or appreciate great works of art because his head was rewired by Fox News to see everything in the world through "conservative vs. liberal" colored glasses. I'm so sorry that had to happen to you xinunus. I pity you.

Jeff Jensen Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 08:06 AM EST

I am thrilled to see how "Xinunus" has turned this board into a political debate.

But let's clarify a few things for Xinunus' benefit: Watchmen was written, in part, as satirical commentary on the Cold War eighties. Moore told EW a few years ago he was really using Nixon as a stand-in for Ronald Reagan, but worried using a sitting present would have been needlessly provocative and potentially alienating for American readers. Moore wanted to engage and criticize the ruling Republican ideology of the time. So subbing in a recent, iconic Republican was strategic and impersonal; he wasn't interested in taking yet another cheap shot at Nixon, though I can see how it seems that way. If you read the book, you'll see that 1. Nixon is not the villain; and 2. the only "bad" thing ascribed to him, besides contributing to an acceleration of the Cold War (which is hitorically accurate) is Watergate (also historically accurate).

radagast Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 05:25 AM EST

I cannot imagine that any rendition of the movie shall come close to the tour de force that the graphic novel gave us, but judging by the trailer, Zach has made a long overdue, admirable attempt. We have waited over twenty years for this magnificent story to be put on the big screen and now once it is on the brink of release, we'll be denied? I don't think so. I think Fox just wants to make it's rival sweat a bit. They'll get enough of a piece of this movie to warrent it's release. Unless they want to see the WB just lose 100+ Mil'. I think Fox is just too greedy for that. I can't wait to see how their PR people spin this one. Alan Moore said 'he wouldn't even throw this in his effing DVD player'. I cannot even fathom how this can be done in three hours as the novel itself is so layered and rich. Personally, I wonder if any director would not be stymied by such a task. At least we have the technology to pull off Dr. Manhattan... I'll still be there opening day.

Mary Cullen Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 02:53 AM EST

Hey, is that Jeffery Dean Morgan?!!!
(a.k.a. Sammy and Dean's Dad from Supernatural?!)

Autopath Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 02:12 AM EST

Yes the timing is totally questionable. Having attended the 2007 San Diego Comic-Con and the first Watchmen Panel...in JULY...you can't tell me Fox didn't know at least by that time and probably before that Warner was making the picture. It's obvious to everyone Warner thought they had all the rights. Fox sandbagged them and by the time they protested, Warner was already making the movie. Disgusting behavior. Doesn't matter how Fox pleads its case. We Fangirls (and boys) know exactly what's going on here.

LuisPJ Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 01:00 AM EST

So Warner Brothers is facing fanboy problems and now apprently twenty-century fox as well and plus the fight with each other. Talk about a cycle of violence lol

Emily Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:27 PM EST

Rrgh. I hate Fox, why not make the movie yourself if you have the rights to it? Whenever they tried to make the movie they failed, and apparently didn't try again. I don't even see why they should have exclusive rights, it's really DC Comics that should, shouldn't it? But since Fox supposedly has the rights, I guess the only way out of this is to give Fox a piece of the pie... Anyways, if Watchmen doesn't get released I am definitely going to boycott everything Fox, no matter who technically has the rights.

Rob Grizzly Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:49 PM EST

This guy looks like Robert Downey Jr

Dewback1138 Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:23 PM EST

I'm glad Fox won't cause the delay or shelving of Watchmen. Still, it's pretty damn shady of them to file this lawsuit as the movie finished filming. It better not cause WB to cut the film in order to recoup their losses (if there are any).

JCB Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 09:57 PM EST

xinunus:
Yes, we know that Chavez tried to do the same thing Nixon does in the movie. However that plot point has nothing to do with Chavez as it was in the 1986 comic book that Nixon was still President. Check your facts next time.

xinunus Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 09:21 PM EST

Do any of you know that the President of Venezuela, Chavez, actually tried to do exactly what they claim Nixon does in this movie/comic book? He changes the law to give himself no term limits. This is exactly what SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST Chavez tried to do last year in his country. There isn’t any originally in this movie, it’s a crock of sh$#!

NOTE: Hey Spike, we all understand you’re a victim of the public school system, so try next time to have an intelligent thought and say something useful! You have apparently been washed by your liberal school systems into believing everything in the world is so peaceful and nice. It's idiots like you that will try and put a socialist into power like Obama, who without a teleprompter can't put two sentences together.

xinunus Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 09:19 PM EST

Do any of you know that the President of Venezuela, Chavez, actually tried to do exactly what they claim Nixon does in this movie/comic book? He changes the law to give himself no term limits. This is exactly what SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST Chavez tried to do last year in his country. There isn’t any originally in this movie, it’s a crock of sh$#!

NOTE: Hey Spike, we all understand you’re a victim of the public school system, so try next time to have an intelligent thought and say something useful! You have apparently been washed by your liberal school systems into believing everything in the world is so peaceful and nice. It's idiots like you that will try and put a socialist into power like Obama, who without a teleprompter can't put two sentences together.

xinunus Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 09:17 PM EST

Do any of you know that the President of Venezuela, Chavez, actually tried to do exactly what they claim Nixon does in this movie/comic book? He changes the law to give himself no term limits. This is exactly what SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST Chavez tried to do last year in his country. There isn’t any originally in this movie, it’s a crock of s#$@!

NOTE: Hey Spike, we all understand you’re a victim of the public school system, so try next time to have an intelligent thought and say something useful! You have apparently been washed by your liberal school systems into believing everything in the world is so peaceful and nice. It's idiots like you that will try and put a socialist into power like Obama who without a teleprompter can put two sentences together.

raven Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 09:14 PM EST

that's just f**ked up. i'll totally boycott fox films if a real boycott starts because they f**k up this movie. the only one of their movies i'll go to next year if they do ax watchmen will be wolverine.

xinunus Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 09:08 PM EST

"Dr. Manhattan had disrupted the mutually assured destruction doctrine by possessing the power to neutralize most of the Russian nukes in mid-air. With this trump card in hand, America has enjoyed a distinct strategic advantage, allowing it to defeat the Soviet Union in a series of proxy wars, including victory in Vietnam. Richard Nixon used this success and, unmarred by Watergate (in a flashback, the Comedian alludes to having assassinated Woodward and Bernstein), encouraged a repeal of the 22nd Amendment, removing Presidential term limits allowing him to serve an unprecedented fifth term in office during the events of the novel."

RICHARD NIXON is a king of some kind, just like I said. WHY COULDN’T THEY HAVE USED JFK? Oh I forgot he was too busy sleeping with other women that weren’t his wife. Does Marylyn Monroe ring a bell.. THIS MOVIE IS PATHETIC!!

Spike Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 09:03 PM EST

Kids, please say no to drugs- xinunus didn't.

xinunus Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 09:01 PM EST

Watchman is an attempt at making a LIBERAL SOCIALIST Super Hero into a movie. DO ANY OF YOU EVEN KNOW THE STORY BEHIND THIS SUPERHERO?? Nixon is an imperialistic king of some kind and the country isn’t a democratic society.. hhmmm sounds like a bowl of crap to me. V for Vendetta and now this crap!!

rosie Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 08:56 PM EST

watchmen has fangirls 2

oreodogvomit Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 08:11 PM EST

I would much rather see Watchmen than another Wolverine movies, which is what the first two X movies were.

tom Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 07:40 PM EST

who gives a rats a.. about wolverine the watchmen is one of the best comics ever writen death to all selfish fox fu..

clinton Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 07:29 PM EST

It was full public knowledge that WB was making a Watchmen movie. they had plenty of time to make their feelings clear before now. They realize now that watchmen is going to cripple the fox movie roster next year. this is a sad attempt to tip the scales in their favor.

I am Not seeing another fox movie or watching a fox show legally until this is settled

scott Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 07:09 PM EST

If Fox does this and tries to ban or penalize any opening of Watchmen I will never buy another fox ticket.

sabrina Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 07:03 PM EST

If FOX cared so much about Watchmen in the first place, they should have TRIED HARDER a decade ago to have it made. We all know WB has the mad money to fork over if they absolutely have to... They produce the best, Harry Potter, Batman franchise.. Billion dollar properties... Fox has its panties in a knot cause they did sweep the opportunity when it was knocking in the first place.

Isn't there some kind of contact law that after so many years, the film rights become public, up for bid again anyway.. if there isn't .. there should be..

TO STOP WHINY WASHED UP FILM STUDIOS from WASTING THE BIG BOYS TIME..

Stuff it fox.

maSSIG Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:54 PM EST

I'm up 100% for boycotting FOX. Even Wolverine.

jaxon Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:14 PM EST

I'm a fan of the comic and a fan of Alan Moore and I still want to see this movie. It looks awesome and I'd be willing to boycott anything FOX until I do get to see it.

Evil2win Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:11 PM EST

Funny, the same company associated with Fox News - the very organization that helped try to steal a country from us - not surprising they're trying to steal a blockbuster movie for a profit now either.

Allen Lunde Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 06:01 PM EST

The Fan-Boys need to remember that Alan Moore didn't want the film made at all. So stop acting as if you're standing up for artists' rights. Snyder himself said the film couldn't be made and only took the job after it was clear it was going to be made anyway. Anyone who really cared about "Watchmen" would be happy if the film never came out.

FoxHaterPants Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 03:46 PM EST

Look at all the fox employees posting here now, pretending to be fans...LOL...we know who you are...propaganda flinging scum...

FoxHaterPants Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 03:44 PM EST

Eff Fox. They don't care about quality or the fans, only money. Look at X-men 3. Brett Ratner??? What a joke. Fox is made up of a bunch of sleazy d-bag liars. I DON'T BELIEVE A WORD THEY SAY. They did this on purpose. It's time for a FAN REVOLT. BOYCOTT ALL FOX PRODUCTS!!! And eff those guys.

Tyler Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 03:43 PM EST

This is just two giant, evil hogs fighting over slop in the trough; the best we can hope for is that the film won't be held up as a result. The idea that WB are the "good guys" is ludicrous and any amount of fanboy ire they may raise against Fox is just a bunch of pointless, empty noise, as well as being misguided.

Wolverine has nothing to do with Watchmen. I'm not going to see Wolverine because I'm bored with mainstream superhero movies - and Wolverine is relatively interesting as superheroes go - not because of anything else. I'm going to see Watchmen, whenever it comes out, which it will, because it isn't actually a superhero story at all. It's a thoughtful deconstruction of the superhero genre and an insightful musing on the nature and ethics of power and responsibility.

Alan Moore is right about most of the movies they've made of his stuff, and I too was skeptical of this one. But what I've seen and heard is intriguing and worth giving the benefit of the doubt.

Vactus Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 03:36 PM EST

At "Female Fan": The article isn't insulting to fans. The term 'geek' does not imply sex at all. The fact you were insulted leads me to believe that you are overly sensitive and should probably calm down some. I liked the article as it clears up some of the mess reported previously on the web.

A female fan Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 03:26 PM EST

If Fox did wait until after the movie was in the can, then they are just being petty about this. They really should have contacted WB BEFORE the movie was being filmed. Talk about idiocy there.

And for the guy that wrote this article... There are a lot of female fans out there as well. Not everyone is considered a "geek" for enjoying movies based on comic books. Your write-up is insulting to the fans.

Ryan Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 02:56 PM EST

Money, money, money. Why would Fox wait until the finished product was delivered (well, pre-edit anyway) to file suit? This film took more than a couple weeks to produce -- it's not like Fox didn't know WB was doing it when the cast was announced at the 2007 Comic-Con. WB may be wrong in making something without the rights, but Fox is just as wrong for capitalizing on it rather than making their own movie.

Bob O Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 02:41 PM EST

Wolverine > Watchmen

Ask fans to choose and most will back Wolverine and any X-Men franchise. There's a reason why Marvel is the leader in terms of publishing numbers. Personally, I'll back Wolverine with everything at my disposal. Make us choose and Watchmen will lose, BADLY.

Fox is rightfully turning the screws to the WB for being legally inept. Expect a settlement that involves the Wolverine trailer to be attached to every print of Watchmen at the WB's expense.

Jon Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 02:40 PM EST

People are varying degrees of wrong about Alan Moore's comments. Moore generally is all-out opposed to any movie adaptations, but he has said nothing specifically about this movie. His only direct quotes are about his dislike of the comic 300 (and film and Snyder by association) and how awful he felt V For Vendetta was on film. I think those are very legitimate concerns and it's ridiculous of people to attack him over them. Again, he has not been in any way associated with the current film project nor has he said anything at all about it specifically.

Interestingly, he did say something along the lines that Hayter's script was the closest anyone could have gotten to Watchmen which from him is near glowing praise. While the current screenwriter claimed to take the best of that script, the final similarities between Hayter's and the end script we will have to see.

Me Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 02:21 PM EST

Not to mention, Gibbons has supported the film and has been involved through and through. Should we not respect his wishes as well...he WAS involved in the comic.

To: Someguy Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 02:12 PM EST

Yes, Moore has written off WATCHMEN the movie, but then, he has unofficially written off *all* film adaptations of his works, past, present, and future. As much respect as I have for his writing, he comes off as a grumpy ol' codger when it comes speaking about the adaptations of his books. He seems to be unable to grasp the concept that movies cannot replace or denigrate the original works.

larry wilson Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 02:10 PM EST

I'm not really a "fanboy" of Watchmen -- I did read the comic in the 80's (enjoyed it, didn't love it) -- I am a comic fan of over 40 years, so any time a film is made using one of the many great properties in the comic world, it gains my interest (and support). As to what's happening here with Fox and Warner Brothers -- my beef with Fox is they had the rights all these years and sat on it. Someone comes along and attempts to make a potentially great film (ala The Dark Knight), Fox looks very petty (and greedy) -- it doesn't create any good feeling about supporting Fox products (be it television or film). Take heed Fox, you're not being well served by your legal people on this one.

Rorschac Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 02:08 PM EST

Someguy you say that Alan Moore has "spoken out against this movie". This is true but Alan Moore hasn't seen or read anything about Snyder's adaptation of Watchmen. Alan Moore, while he is a creative genius, is a crumudgeon who is angry at Hollywood over the bastrdization of some of his other works such as League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Snyder could make a movie that is frame for frame identical to the Watchmen Graphic Novel and Alan Moore would hate it just on principle.

Jon Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 01:18 PM EST

Watchmen is the most anticipated comic movie of the year, not Wolverine. If you were using Comic Con as a gauge then you should have mentioned Watchmen was the overwhelming star of the Con. To the point where almost everything else was overshadowed. You should know, Jeff. You were there.

Someguy Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:48 PM EST

I have not read the comic, but I do intend to. But what gets me about all this "fanboy" anger toward Fox. Alan Moore, the dude who wrote the comic, has spoken out against this movie. A true fan would respect the wishes of the orginal creator.

Gre Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:27 PM EST

FOX isn't stupid. They *know* that the release date for WATCHMEN will stick no matter what (well, they did until HARRY POTTER 6 got moved). The fact that the movie is done and ready to go just means that WB will be pressed to pay up ASAP. Snarky move bringing this up now.

ontheotherhand Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:09 PM EST

I would have had NO problem with Fox asking for it's so called rights BEFORE Watchmen started filming... last fall. To wait until principle photography was almost complete before getting their panties in a twist over someone else making a movie that Fox COULD have made anytime over the previous decade smacks of the worst kind of cynicism.

Bad form Fox. No cookie for you!

Jason Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:58 AM EST

If they own the rights, they own the rights. I'm looking forward to the film, but the way this reads it's WB that screwed the pooch, not Fox. Chances are pretty good those rights cost them money, and certainly they want a piece of the pie (which looks to be getting larger and larger every day from reading fanboy postings)--which they would seemingly be entitled to. Hopefully they can get this settled well before March rolls around...

Goreful Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:52 AM EST

20th Century Fox are A-holes. If they want a piece of the pie from Watchmen. That's fine with me.

But...stopping the release of the film?

Oh, hell to the NO!

Boycott Fox!

Henry Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 11:39 AM EST

Admittedly, I was a little worried about a delay for Watchmen, too, but after reading this, I'm okay. These kinds of squabbles over distribution rights and the like seem common with a lot of movie studios. I wouldn't go so far as to boycott Fox's upcoming film slate, but I'd like for there to be some accurate reports to come out before they start to make a lot of people go nuts over everything.

dan Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:53 AM EST

Jeff--- Ok, youre certainly right about AICN talkbacks, and especially in regards to Watchmen. I didn't mean to oversell that point, I guess I'm just still bitter about that awful, awful x-men3.

PS
I'm dying without your Lost column man.

mark in nyc Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM EST

Jeff- are you saying my anonymous ravings with no actual statistics on an internet talkback forum are having no affect? Darn it, I have been railing against the executives at FOX since they canceled FIREFLY....now I find this out?

Jeff Jensen Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:37 AM EST

Dan: point taken about Comic-Con reaction. At the same time, it's not like message board reactions (particularly those at AICN) are famous for providing sober perspective, either. This current Watchmen report suggests as much. But your analysis of trailer cliches is pretty funny and spot-on.

mark in nyc Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:05 AM EST

FOX is screwing this one up big time, they should take a financial settlement ad leave it at that. Any interest in delaying or surpressing the Watchmen film would result in huge profit losses.
I will make it easy for the executives at FOX to understand. The comic book movie core, ie fanboys, all have one thing in common. They are fiercely loyal, that is why they will go and see Batman and Robin, or other crappy comic book movies. They expect loyalty in return.
However when they feel they are slighted, as in their interests are being ignored or worse dismissed (as in the watchmen)....hell hath no fury like a fanboy scorned!
Ask the weisnsteins how their superhero Movie did after they screwed over the Harry Knoweles film.
The fan boys may go see Wolverine, but they will also organize to NOT see other movies by FOX.

dan Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 10:03 AM EST

Jeff -- Comic-con is a TERRIBLE place to gauge actual fan-boy interest in any given project. Yes I know that the Wolverine trailer brought a lot noise on the floor at comic-con... but why don't you go look at the reaction it got on the web when AICN briefly posted it. The most common fan-boy reaction was to compare it to garbage like ELEKTRA and CATWOMAN.

And if you watched that trailer, you'd know why (seriously, attention hollywood: having you hero walk in slow-motion away from a giant explosion is tantamount to writing the words "pathetic recycled unimaginative pandering cheese" over the title of your film).

cajunsblues Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 09:41 AM EST

again just comes down to money.


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