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Kevin Smith says 'Watchmen' is astounding (insert 'but' here)

Aug 21, 2008, 08:06 AM | by Hollywood Insider

Categories: 'Watchmen', Movie Biz

Kevinsmith_l --Written by Jeff Jensen

While comic book aficionados wonder if Warner Bros. will release its controversial superhero flick Watchmen as scheduled next March, one famous fan of the groundbreaking graphic novel says he’s seen Zack Snyder’s $100 million opus, and judging from his reaction, it appears all the fuss the film has stirred up is worth it.

Clerks helmer Kevin Smith (pictured) — who apparently was invited to see the film at Snyder’s invitation shortly after Comic-Con last month — has posted an unabashed rave for Watchmen over at MySpace: “I saw Watchmen. It’s f---ing astounding. The Non-Disclosure Agreement I signed prevents me from saying much, but I can spout the following with complete joygasmic enthusiasm: Snyder and Co. have pulled it off. Remember that feeling of watching Sin City on the big screen and being blown away by what a faithful translation of the source material it was, in terms of both content and visuals? Triple that, and you’ll come close to watching Watchmen.”

Of course, depending on how you felt about Sin City, Smith’s assessment may or may not strike you as impressive. So EW.com asked Smith — currently prepping his R-rated lewd laugher Zack and Miri Make A Porno for a Halloween premiere — to expand just a smidge: “My God, the flick is amazing.” Okay. And? “Anything more and I start getting phone calls.” Fair enough.

Smith’s gush might be encouraging for those who’ve long doubted that even a good film could be distilled out of Watchmen’s dense, complex story, let alone one that’s “f---ing astounding.” But there is still reason to worry: as EW reported in July, Snyder is currently endeavoring to trim a nearly three-hour version of Watchmen (which is believed to be the iteration Smith saw) down to two hours and 25 minutes, the studio’s desired running time, even though Snyder’s preference is that the movie be released as long as possible.

In the wake of Twentieth Century Fox’s lawsuit against Warner Bros. over Watchmen’s distribution rights — a complaint that seems to be valid, based on available court documents — some fans fret that Snyder might be asked to cut even more to improve its chances at being profitable. The angsty logic, expressed on a different geek hub message boards, goes like this: if Warner Bros. has to settle with Fox, or is forced to share revenue with Fox, the $100 million movie becomes even more expensive for Warner Bros. Sure, Watchmen might be great at 145 minutes, but if it’s good enough at a shorter length, which could generate an extra showing per screen, per day, that’s more money for the studio. (We tried to run that bit of thinking past Snyder himself, but he declined to comment.)

As Watchmengate — perhaps the priciest whoopsie! in Hollywood history — continues to obsess fans and bloggers, there’s been much speculation about how much money might be at stake here. The Hot Blog’s David Poland at moviecitynews.com theorizes that Warner Bros. might have to fork over $25 million to settle with Fox. Then again, Fox might get even more if it becomes a profit participant in the film, provided the movie does blockbuster business, and especially if Fox gets dealt in on after-theatrical revenues like DVDs. Indeed, Warner sources indicated to EW last month that the property’s above-average potential as an ancillary media cash cow was a big reason why Warner Bros. greenlit the picture. Already, the studio could milk Watchmen for at least three different DVDs: the already-announced The Black Freighter companion disc, an animated film based on the graphic novel’s comic-within-a-comic; the theatrical version of the film; and possibly a separate director’s cut that restores Snyder’s three-hour vision and integrates the Black Freighter story into Snyder’s narrative, a kind of “absolute edition” of Watchmen: the movie the director is very keen on making available to fans.

Regardless, even Kevin Smith believes that no matter how the Warner Bros./Fox flap resolves itself, fans will be able to see Watchmen on March 6, 2009. “Nah,” Smith tells EW.com. “There's no way that situation doesn't get ironed out.”


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I have a deep fear that the movie will be a mainstream and dumbed down version of what is (to me) the best novel of the 20th century. On the matter of how the novel itself is viewed, I bet people would have taken it more serious if they didn't ignorently assume that because its a type of comic that its a "Whhham" "BLLLAAOOWW" type of book where there's a clear good guy and a clear bad guy and the good guy always wins and everybody's happy. Which brings me back to my original point. This movie might change how the characters act so that there could be a clear villian, a clear hero and maybe even make a clearly happy ending. Whats even more likely is that change something to make the love story sappy. Those are ussually what they change for adaptations.

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But Kevin Smith also thinks The Dark Knight was close to a work of genius - so despite making the excellent Clerks and Mallrats Kevin Smith has clearly become as thick as a bag of spanners / is being paid to promote Hollywood tripe.

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As someone already stated 03.06.09.....12.
And someone who knows about marketing and promotions and their importance in selling geek products has already said, "There is no way that situation doesn't get ironed out."

I do believe that economics will ensure an ontime release.

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If your going to trim down the film, you might as well wait for the directors-cut. I mean what's the point of watching something that obviously works well from beginning to the end, to watch it a different way.

Charles Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 05:56 PM EST

Hopeful about this, but I seem to remember some glowing Kevin Smith previews of the Star Wars prequels, which were absolutely awful. I think his fanboi side takes over the first time he sees a film or something. Then, given enough time, the real Kevin graps control and comes up with questions like wasn't it terribly unfair to all of the independent contractors.

Edolie Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 05:40 PM EST

I'm glad to see that Smith was given the chance to preview the movie. As a hard core fanatic of both Smith and super hero movies I have to say I trust his judgement. As for his comment about 'Sin City'. Whether you love or hate the story, the cinematics are what are up for debate here. If the previews of Watchmen are anything, it's bound to be a visual wonder.

thevaxguy Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 06:41 PM EST

Regardless of whatever else you may or may not think of Sin City, you have to at least not immediately deny that as far as picking up a graphic story and laying it down on celluloid with the least discernible loss of technique / sensibility / etc etc etc, Sin City is pretty much the king for now. Having seen the trailer for Watchmen, and keeping firmly in mind my displeasure with the characters appearing to be 15 years too young, with their costumes too stylized, blah blah, I hold staunchly to the hope that Watchmen might give Sin City a run for our money. I mean, Comedian going through the window in slo-mo, Rorschach sweeping that homemade flamethrower around, Ozymandias taking out his "assassin", the BIRTH of freakin' DR. MANHATTAN, f'cryin' out loud!
P.S. not wanting to to off topic here, but I have even stauncher hopes for The Spirit... :)

Mike Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 02:16 AM EST

Why does the studio think people won't go to a 3 hour movie? People will go to any moive AS LONG AS ITS GOOD.

Kovacs Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:37 PM EST

@Tim, MarcN - Sin City being "terrible" has nothing to do with Watchmen. Smith never said if you liked Sin City you will like Watchmen. He was merely comparing the accuracy of the translation from comic to film. What Smith was saying is: If you like Watchmen the graphic novel, chances are you will like Watchmen the movie. So stop mentioning how poor of a film you thought Sin City was. The bottom line is it was faithful to it's source material which is the point Smith was making.

Second, on the assumption of me being "sold anyway"- no, I wasn't. I agreed with the notion that the graphic novel was unfilmable and should just be left alone. But after seeing the trailer and how much of a fan Snyder is and hearing nothing but good things from people who have seen it (Dave Gibbons, Smith) my opinion slowly changed.

The Founder Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:51 AM EST

Reading Watchmen and seeing the trailor. I will be sad and disappointed if it's release is slowed or if it is shortened. I will see it at least 3 times in the theater as well as buying the ultimate what-ever edition DVD no matter what. I hate that Hollywood hinders it's own art. You wouldn't have told Leonardo to make the Mona Lisa even smaller, or Bach to shorten his symphonies. Lord of the rings was insanely long, did that hurt it?

Ian from CT Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 09:11 AM EST

Tim you are a d-bag!!! Sin City was an ok noir comic book but to see Rodgriguez make a faithful page for page adaptation for screen is nothing short of amazing. I saw the film four times in one week. I think comic book movies just get better as a result of new technologies. I can't wait to see watchmen, Snyder made 300 into a better movie than the comic ever could be.

hamilton Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 11:15 PM EST

how can u say sin city sucked it was awsome so was clerks 1 and 2 mall rats dogma which by the way is all kevin smith movies and they where great tell me what is a good movie yall and thats to the ones that said sin city sucked let me guess is it barney meets sesme street because yall suck on picking good ones

Tim Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 09:25 AM EST

Kovacs - I bet you're "sold" anyway. Sin City was terrible. Critics bought into it because of the stars involved and because they have no idea what to make of comic book adaptations. The first week, critics sit among the herds comic nerds that oooh over every explosion and guffaw over every one-liner, and then mistake it for a crowd pleaser. The movie does underwhelming business. And what you end up with is Hellboy 2. For every Spider-Man 2 or Dark Knight, there are ten Sin Citys/Fantastic Fours.

MarcN Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 09:08 AM EST

Hmmm. I didn't like Sin City much. The visuals were nifty and... that's it. The story was lame. Hookers with a heart of gold. And a knife! Ultra violence! Guts! It was offal/awful. The sequel will do business like Hellboy 2 if the quality is just as "good". New screenwriters please. And if Watchmen is comprable to Sin City, then I hope Fox really does cause hinder its release, just discourage Sin City knock-offs.

jake Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 08:30 AM EST

Can we really say Kevin Smith has any idea on what's good or not? I mean, if he's talking about being blown away by Sin City, I gotta tell ya, I don't have high hope for the Watchmen. Sin City was one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

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I know I should give this guy playing Rorschach a chance, but I really thought the part should have been given to Doug Hutchison, who played the sadistic guard Percy Wetmore in Green Mile. Go, now and look at him (www.imdb.com/media/rm73832704/tt0120689)
and tell me he's not dead on the money.

dom Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 05:31 PM EST

Tristan, you most certainly can take a year off of watching super hero movies. I don't think you actually needed permission from anyone here to do that, but never the less, you have my blessing to take the next year or two off.

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thevaxguy Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 03:26 PM EST

If someone's already mentioned this, forgive the repeat. Just wondered what anybody thought of the release date, 03-06-09, as in, the quarters of a clock face, and the next number in the sequence being 12, for (nuclear) midnight? Also as in, do those of us who maybe turn up for the midnight showing (03-06-09, 12:00) get free bloodstained smiley pins and bags of Sweet Chariot sugar cubes?

mage?! Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:01 PM EST

At this point, no matter what we say or do as fans, it is all up to lawyers and studio executives. Just what Alan Moore thought would happen, good job Hollywood, you bunch of twisted leaches.

Keith Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 08:57 PM EST

If Watchmen gets shortened or not released due some legal nonsense, I'm going to be a little annoyed.

Brian Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 08:53 PM EST

He reads alot of comic books, so in this case he might be right....

Tyson Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 07:35 PM EST

lol Phil, evidently my sarcasm doesn't translate well online. My point is that his movies have averaged about $18 million each and while i know that box office doesnt always translate into good movies, i am perplexed as to why people give what he says credence.

bob Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 06:23 PM EST

it's gonna be lame. you gotta read the book: no movie could possibly do a graphic novel as intricate as watchmen justice.

kevin smith Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 05:03 PM EST

he is so ugly when i thought of him i thought of this

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Ryan Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 04:02 PM EST

Of course Kevin Smith would say the film is 'amazing.' He has yet to make an amazing film... ever!

Phil Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 03:23 PM EST

Is Tyson serious?

Ross Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 02:53 PM EST

What I'd like to know, is how does a multi-billion dollar corporation not work out the contracts and rights before making the movie. I'll never understand these people.

Jake Kincaid Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 02:50 PM EST

Didn't Kevin Smith think Daredevil the movie was astounding? An astounding piece of trash in all measures.

Tristan Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 02:40 PM EST

Can we please just take a year off from superhero movies? And that request is coming from someone who used to collect comics as a kid.

BD Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 02:22 PM EST

To be fair to Xinunus, even though Nixon isn't portrayed as a dictator, the reason he remains in office into the 1980s is in part because he had Woodward and Bernstein killed.

Graehaus Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 02:12 PM EST

I don't need Smith to sell it too me. what i saw in the trailer is good enough to sell to me. woot!

Tyson Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 02:10 PM EST

who is this kevin smith guy? is he supposed to be relevant or something?

projectfinale Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 02:06 PM EST

Just go watch the trailer for this movie... that was enough for me to sit down for 3 hours and enjoy it. It looks effing amazing.

Joey Joe Jo Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 01:45 PM EST

"for every theater multiplex that runs the shorter version on its screens, they should be required to reserve one theater for the longer version. It'd be a simultaneous release of the regular cut and director's cut. I can't be the first person to suggest this."

Exactly my thought upon reading this. Every major city should have at least one theater running the three hour version. If I can sit through the underwhelming Dark Knight, I can stay in the theater for another half hour to see something good.

MARK Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 01:26 PM EST

for every theater multiplex that runs the shorter version on its screens, they should be required to reserve one theater for the longer version. It'd be a simultaneous release of the regular cut and director's cut. I can't be the first person to suggest this. If I am, I want my 1% of the gross revenue.

Whatever Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 01:21 PM EST

Android Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:52 PM EST


The reason they want to trim down the running time is not about the audience but about the numbers of screenings that can be squeezed into a day. Trimming out a half hour can mean an extra screening... in the movie business inventory = # seats X # screenings. Longer movies have smaller inventories...
*********************************

Yeah, that's why "Titanic" didn't make any money. It was 3 hours and 14 minutes. At over two and a half hours, "Dark Night" is struggling as well. Hope they can break even.

ryan Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 01:13 PM EST

He also raved about Die Hard 4 , which was beyond terrible.

Android Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:52 PM EST

The reason they want to trim down the running time is not about the audience but about the numbers of screenings that can be squeezed into a day. Trimming out a half hour can mean an extra screening... in the movie business inventory = # seats X # screenings. Longer movies have smaller inventories...

DM Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:01 PM EST

Jeff, thanks so much for continuing to update us regarding Watchmen. It's good to hear that Kevin Smith loves the movie - that's a great endorsement, and I trust his judgement in this. And I take your point in your previous article - it does seem that Fox made attempts to point out the issue regarding the rights before now. Thanks for your insight. Fox still isn't on my Xmas card list, for a wide variety of reasons, but at least it sounds like the movie will still get released.


Kovacs Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 05:52 PM EST

If Watchmen is as faithful as Sin City was to it's source material like Smith says, combined with Snyder's visuals, I'm sold. Definitely concerned about all of the material the studio is making Snyder cut, though. It may be a bit selfish, but I honestly don't care about large box-office numbers for this movie. The last thing I'd want to see is the studio push for a prequel or sequel if this movie were to be a big hit.

JRL Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 05:17 PM EST

I don't get why they want to cut the length down. Fans (the main audience, the people who will go see the film more than anyone) want the three hour version. No one is asking for a 2 and a half hour version. Who are they cutting it down for?

Mike Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 04:07 PM EST

@xinunus

Man, you're so WRONG...I wonder what comic did you read, 'cause it wasn't Watchmen I guess...

side3 Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 04:05 PM EST

Hopefully we'll get the full three hour version on DVD....

Rob Grizzly Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 01:01 PM EST

I trust Kevin Smith. He was one of the earliest reviewers of The Dark Knight and he was dead on with how great that was, too. He knows what comic fans like

dylan Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 12:49 PM EST

I think richard nixon would be thrilled that, at least in fantasy, his dream of being a dictator came true.

what an absurd reason to not see a movie. stay home and work on your "enemies list".


Rich Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:42 AM EST

I wonder if the rights to the 60s TV show Batman will be resolved in the settlement? Fox produced the series, but hasn't released it on DVD, apparently because Warners wants a cut of the pie. Now, Adam West likely does not equal Watchmen, but it's an intriguing thought.

As to the director's cut, just do what Peter Jackson did. Release one for the masses and put together an ultimate cut for the fanboys (who are going to buy the DVD whether they see it in the theater or not).

Snarf Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:38 AM EST

Studios have little faith in the masses with good reason. Individuals may be smart, but people (groups/mobs) generally aren't and will follow a pack mentality.

Chreechree Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:15 AM EST

Why do studios insist on chopping up adaptations thinking that fans can't handle a 3 hour movie? Watchmen is complicated, layered, and wonderful. A longer cut might diminish some initial returns, but a better cut means better reviews, more longevity at the theater, and higher DVD sales. WB has made the same mistake with the Harry Potter movies. They do a phenomenal job with the art direction, effects, etc., but the films always feel rushed and choppy, and they cut out some of the books' best moments. I'm still sad about how they mangled the ending of Prisoner of Azkaban. Please don't let Moore's opus suffer a similar fate. Let it be. Let the movie unfold slowly and build deliciously the way the graphic novel does. It's too important a work to mishandle. At the very least, release Snyder's director's cut on DVD. The version with The Black Freighter worked back in would be phenomenal.

Rockin' Rich Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 11:12 AM EST

Smith is a mediocre director and a barely passable comics writer but a genuine fanboy, so I trust his evaluation of the movie.

Though I'm sure that WB will eventually release every possible permutation of the movie to wring every last dollar out of our pockets, so no worries!

Hollis Mason Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:55 AM EST

Xinunus, where did you get the information that Nixon is portrayed as a dictator? He's barely in the story. Not only that, he is portrayed objectively. There is no real criticism of him.

Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:16 AM EST

Ive started reading watchmen for the third time in anticipation of this film its going to be great. http://www.flickr.com/photos/15008871@N00/

Edge Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 10:05 AM EST

xinunus, you must not see many movies, provoctively portraying presidents happens quite a bit. You should listen to Jeff Jensen and read the actual graphic novel.

Jeff, I'll take a copy!

Jeff Jensen Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:58 AM EST

Xinunus--I would like to send you a copy of Watchmen, just so you can better argue your provocative thesis. May I do this for you? Email me your mailing address (if you feel comfortable doing so) at: JeffJensenEW@aol.com

maxwell19596 Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:38 AM EST

this is going to be the greatest superhero film of all time...nuff said

xinunus Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:24 AM EST

Watchmen does look visually amazing but I have integrity but for me to go see a movie that I know is biased in the way it was written is enough for me to NOT go see it. Most of you are comic book drones and will go see does about any crap Hollywood puts out so your probably shaking your head at me right now.

The problem I have with this movie is the fact that it takes a well known President, Richard Nixon, and turns him into a dictator.

PS Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 08:03 AM EST

... Right now I'm more concerned with the other "...Man". The Middleman! Monday nights at 10PM on ABC Family. Watch it! You'll love it!


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