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Disability advocacy groups protest at 'Tropic Thunder' premiere

Aug 12, 2008, 02:51 PM | by Mike Bruno

Categories: Movie Biz

Stiller_l A few dozen demonstrators showed up outside the Tropic Thunder premiere last night at Mann's Theatre in Los Angeles to protest the movie and its repeated use of the word "retard." The protest took place across the street from the theater, where people representing organizations such as the Special Olympics and the American Association of People with Disabilities were carrying signs that said things like "Tropic Thunder, Colossal Blunder," "We have abilities, not disabilities!", and "'R' word is hate speech."

A coalition of some 22 advocacy groups has launched a boycott of the film, which opens for wide release tomorrow, and Andrew J. Imparato, president of the American Association of People with Disabilities, reportedly called the film "tasteless" and said it was "offensive start to finish" after watching a private screening of the movie on Monday.

Director and star Ben Stiller -- who plays an actor portraying a mentally disabled character named Simple Jack in the film's movie-within-a-movie -- acknowledged the protesters' right to speak their mind, but also defended his film. "I did not set out to offend anybody, but sometimes, when you are making an R-rated comedy, that happens," Stiller said at the premiere. "That is not what I set out to do, but I think the movie is good and it speaks for itself."

Co-star Jack Black said he doesn't think any of the protesters have seen the movie yet and that he feels that once they do, they will understand that the joke is really on Hollywood, not people with disabilities. "The jokes are all in context of what some actors are willing to do to win an Oscar," Black explained at the premiere. "That is a longstanding joke in Hollywood — that certain types of roles, like the one joked about in the film, help put you in the minds and eyes of the Academy voters and to what lengths some actors will go to bring one of those gold bad boys home."

Co-writer/executive producer Justin Theroux added that he was surprised by the ire — then humorously (we hope) pointed the finger at other, ostensibly more earnest projects that deal with mental disabilities. "[T]here’s a part of me that’s a little puzzled and disappointed, like, ‘Where were you when Radio came out? Because that was pretty offensive," Theroux said. "Or where were they when they made that Rosie O’Donnell Riding the Bus With My Sister film? Because that was way worse in my eyes than our film." (Reporting by Carrie Bell)

 


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ben Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 09:13 PM EST

worst movie ever. i dislike the use of this word. how far does hollywood have to go for a laugh to make fun of a person ? this is the meanest. i hope this person who wrote this movie will apologize .

Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 04:56 PM EST

and ANOTHER weekend at number ONE! and a fabulous family guy episode sunday that points out how RETARDED the protesters are! censorship is NOT the answer. i bet serenity is pissed!

Iferos Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 04:20 PM EST

Wow, listen to everyone...Everyone is missing the point of the scene, Stiller is ridiculing hollywood for using people disabilities a vehicle for actors to get ahead. The use of the word also adds irony to the scene and would not have had the same effect if another word had been used. I find actors like Sean Penn and Cuba Jr. far more offensive for making derivative and manipulative films that exploit the "Mentally Retarded" for self promotion. It's easy to change the meaning of words out of context, politicians do it all the time. Plus this is an R rated film so i really hope your not taking your children to see it.

Martin Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 06:01 PM EST

Retarded was just the new politically correct word for the medical condition we now call developmentally handicapped, and in years to come, our current phrase will be seen as derogatory. The difficulty comes from trying to describe accurately a condition that many people find emotionally charged and hard to deal with. I noticed that the movie was rated "R", so strong language was to be expected. I am a fulltime caregiver for my brother who has been described as -Slow - Retarded - Special - Mongoloid - Developmentally Handicapped since birth. The trouble with labels, as "Lisa Simpson" points out, is that when you label someone you negate them. Labels say more about the person using them than about the subject they are applied too. Each label takes away or ignores all the other qualities that make up individuals. Any word can be used to hurt. Just add sarcasm and the nicest compliment becomes an insult. Isn't dumping mentally ill people on the streets to die a more worthy issue to us?

Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 05:08 PM EST

... and tropic thunder smokes its competition for another weekend... i guess that protest just didn't do it... looks like mr. shriver's campaign didn't work... hahaha! people do NOT like to be told what to do and it's about time groups like mr. shriver's realize that... i'm glad we live in a country with FREE SPEECH.

Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 03:29 PM EST

Watch out, ben stiller = discusting jerk, Serenity is going to come after you and tell you that you and your brother are wrong - she is the Official Mouthpiece for All Disabled & Mentally Challenged worldwide. You are not allowed to have an opinion unless it is cleared through her and her minions first.

bob Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 05:17 PM EST

if u dont want to see it, dont see it. even though we may not agree with what someone says, that doesn't mean we can make them not say it. this is America.

bob Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 04:54 PM EST

in the movie, robert downing jr was actually trying to sneakily call ben stiller a retard, not the character he played. it's just like the word gringo, it depends how it's used to determine whether it's offensive or not. and in this movie, it's not offensive.

SKMan Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 03:08 AM EST

Pathetic. Theres a word. A word for each person to take offense from this movies use of "retard." Just hate-mongers. You make the word more repulsive by fueling people to think its a bad word. You add it to the "Bad Word" vocabulary. You. Not my 24 year-old retarded brother, who knows hes retarded, yet doesn't take offense to the word in the lest. Retarded people are wiser than you, all of you protestors, in that THEY know to not take offense from a word. Especially its use in this film. You think your "standing up for them." That your some type of white-knight fighting for people who can't stand up for themselves. Your not. Handicapped people can stand up for themselves, in no lesser way than you. So shut up. To even attack a HOLLYWOOD COMEDY in the first place shows how little you actually have any standing in ANY matter at all.

Ben stiller = discusting jerk. Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 06:29 PM EST

I hear it all the time. I think it is very wrong, and the r-word should not be used in any movies. If movies that kids watch use the r-word, they will start using it more often than they are. When someone is acting silly, their friend will call them a r-word and that really hurts any person that has disabilities, or knows someone who has them. I hope that someday in the future, it will change. I pledge not to use the r-word ever. I pledge and support the elimination of the derogatory use of the r-word from everyday speech and promote the acceptance and inclusion of people with intellectual disabilities. If you think that anything about using that word is good, you are a discust to all of the world. Grow up, and stop being such sick people. I hate how all i can ever hear is people using it. JUST SHUT UP. It's like using " fag " for the homosexuals. Its rude, disrespectful and overall unnecessary. If you are using this word constantly, you need a life. Nothing better to do that be mean.

laughing my butt off Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 03:13 PM EST

I just love how all the protests are simply driving more people to see the movie! It's hilarious - the protesters have got to see that their bitching and whining has backfired and that we are tired of special interest groups forcing their PC nonsense on the people of this country. I wonder if they feel stupid for making fools of themselves this way?

Serenity Thu, Aug 21, 2008 at 09:54 AM EST

So how many times do I have to repeat myself? I'm not personally working to have the word banned. I never once said anything of the sort. I said it was used in a negative way and it has offended people. Those people have stood up and spoke for themselves about it. I never even said whether or not I was personally offended because this isn't about me. I said I was a member of AAPD and NCIL. I didn't attend any of the protests, but a lot of other people did. It's not about who doesn't find the word offensive. It's about who does. If Ann's brother doesn't care, then that's fine. He's obviously not one of the people who IS upset about it. I guess those people don't matter anyway, I mean they're just retarded. They shouldn't even have an opinion or understand, right?

Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 03:45 PM EST

maybe ann's brother has a sense of humour and he can laugh and joke about the whole thing, did you ever think of that? not everybody has to take everything as seriously as YOU do!

Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:46 PM EST

Serenity, you can sit in your little puddle of self-pity and be offended all you want. I'm not denying you any right to be offended. I just think that legislating to ban the word Retard is the most ridiculous thing in the world. But you go ahead and keep working on that. Why not get some books banned while you are at it? Because that's really the answer to all of our problems. Good luck with that.

Serenity Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:01 AM EST

And for the record, I have a disability. I work for an Independent Living Center. I am a member of both NCIL and the AAPD. I was at NCIL's rally in DC this year fighting for the rights of people with disabilities. I marched along side 700 other disability advocates in the pouring rain to fight for freedom and equality. So don't for one minute tell me to get educated about disabilities or to get a cause. This is the same fight that women and black people fought. Now people with disabilities are fighting it. If you don't realize that, then maybe you need to get educated on the issues. This wasn't my opinion in the first place, I heard about it through the AAPD newsletter that I get. I read the testimonies of the people who are upset. I saw pictures from the protests. Then I watched the movie for myself to make my own judgment on it. People are entitled to be offended and you are more than welcome to be offensive to whoever you want.

Serenity Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:50 PM EST

First of all, I HAVE seen the movie. Second of all, TWELVE major disability rights organizations are protesting this movie. They are all comprised of people with all kinds of disabilities. No one is speaking "for" anyone here. I'm simply stating that there are plenty of people who ARE offended by the word retard BEING USED IN A DEROGATORY WAY. No matter how you look at it, the word is used in a negative way. If this is ok with you, then that's fine. But the people who find it offensive are standing up for themselves and saying it's offensive. Just because you're not personally offended doesn't make you right and everyone else wrong. It's not about being right or wrong or protecting people. Enough people are standing up for themselves and if you knew anything about any of these organizations, you would know that one of our mottoes is "Speaking for Ourselves." When you use someone's disability is used to describe something negative, it's going to offend people.

Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 07:06 PM EST

Serenity, your question to Ann about whether she'd call a retarded person a retard or imbecile or whatever - your question is IRRELEVANT. You are angry at the movie - NOWHERE IN THE MOVIE DOES ANYBODY CALL A RETARD OR MENTALLY CHALLENGED PERSON A RETARD. But then what can we expect from people protesting a movie they HAVEN'T SEEN?

Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 07:01 PM EST

thank god for people like ann... people like serenity think they have the world's monopoly on how every single mentally challenged or retarded person feels... there's more to life than the magical, fuzzy box of protection that people like serenity insist on placing people in... the world is full of pain and cruelty but it's also full of laughter as well... if you overprotect the retarded you deny them their humanity... let THEM come out into the world and be included in it... they can handle it - they generally have better senses of humour than you Paranoid Protectors do...

Ann Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 05:45 PM EST

Apparently you are not from this real world and looking for a cause or battle to fight.Eddie Murphy has made money off obese people,The movie Misery made money from an emotionally and deranged woman,Tom and Jerry cartoons made money making fun of early blacks when we had absoultely no rights in the media.A disabled person would see through your fake concern and your living above sin attitude,still will not change my viewpoint.Get a cause or get educated about people with disabilities.

Serenity Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 01:21 PM EST

Ann said: "here are my crying stories,I do have a mentally brother and I have taught special education for 30 years,but I still laughed at the movie.Have you volunteered for the special olympics?Have you ever been aroung a retarded person?If so,I know that they made you laugh because they are full of life and they do love to laugh just like any other group.thanks,will not change my viewpoint."

Would you call your brother a retard? What about your students? Would you call them stupid, imbecile, or moron? Would it be ok for other people to call them any of those words? Serious question.

Ann Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:26 PM EST

I can't stop laughing at this movie! Wow! Funny people were doing what their crafts calls for them to do is to make people laugh.My hat is off to Ben Stiller for being one of the best in the field.Will Ferrell,Chris Rock,D.L.,Brenda S.the late Bernie Mac,Steve Harvey,Ellen and the list go on and on.The thing about stand-up,it hit you in the face and then it's gone,but with a movie it soaks in and lingers.All things in life are not polticial.Now on a very serious note,I know that I will be talked about,so here are my crying stories,I do have a mentally brother and I have taught special education for 30 years,but I still laughed at the movie.Have you volunteered for the special olympics?Have you ever been aroung a retarded person?If so,I know that they made you laugh because they are full of life and they do love to laugh just like any other group.thanks,will not change my viewpoint.

Serenity Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:01 AM EST

The movie could have gotten the point of their satire across without using the word "retard."

And to those saying not to compare this to racism toward black people? Discrimination is discrimination. It's not ok or "not the same thing" simply because the group being discriminated against is mentally retarded. We're talking about a group of people who is least likely and able to stand up for themselves. Justify it anyway you want, it's the same damn thing.

Not only has the word retard been used to describe the mentally retarded, but people with disabilities in general whether they have a mental impairment or not. I have a friend who uses a wheelchair with an IQ of 160 who has been called that word. What about Steven Hawking? 1 in 5 Americans has a disability and it's an equal opportunity club. At any minute, your friend, your family member, or you could get into a car accident or suffer a stroke and become the "retard" that you once poked fun at. Then who will be laughing?

Susan Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 10:39 PM EST

Nice comment Joe, I can tell you're very mature.

go-kart-macedonia Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 04:18 PM EST

the film is great!!!!!
maybe they say words who hurt somebody but.....that is joke!!!!!!
i am sure that producer dont like this effect!!!!!! i am sure that he is worry!!!!!

Joe Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:29 PM EST

Susan Said
"I am a parent of a special needs child who has CP; a lot of people would take more offense to the usage of this word if you felt like it was something that could hurt your childs feelings or self esteem. My question is, why use words that could bring another person down if you don't have to? Is it really worth a good laugh at someones else s expense?"

Then don't go see the film! When you live in a country founded on free speech as one of the top two constitutional rights, you may see or hear something you don't like! When did everyone turn into such whiners?!

We are in an awful war, highest unemployment rates in a long time,Russia is mad we might put defense missiles in Poland and talking Nukes! All these dolts have to worry about is a movie..Must be nice to live in a world you feel revolves around you and your water head!

Omg maybe what this country needs is a nuke to hit to put things back into perspective for the whiners!

Joe Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:28 PM EST

Susan Said
"I am a parent of a special needs child who has CP; a lot of people would take more offense to the usage of this word if you felt like it was something that could hurt your childs feelings or self esteem. My question is, why use words that could bring another person down if you don't have to? Is it really worth a good laugh at someones else s expense?"

Then don't go see the film! When you live in a country founded on free speech as one of the top two constitutional rights, you may see or hear something you don't like! When did everyone turn into such whiners?!

We are in an awful war, highest unemployment rates in a long time,Russia is mad we might put defense missiles in Poland and talking Nukes! All these dolts have to worry about is a movie..Must be nice to live in a world you feel revolves around you and your water head!

Omg maybe what this country needs is a nuke to hit to put things back into perspective for the whiners!

Joe Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:28 PM EST

Susan Said
"I am a parent of a special needs child who has CP; a lot of people would take more offense to the usage of this word if you felt like it was something that could hurt your childs feelings or self esteem. My question is, why use words that could bring another person down if you don't have to? Is it really worth a good laugh at someones else s expense?"

Then don't go see the film! When you live in a country founded on free speech as one of the top two constitutional rights, you may see or hear something you don't like! When did everyone turn into such whiners?!

We are in an awful war, highest unemployment rates in a long time,Russia is mad we might put defense missiles in Poland and talking Nukes! All these dolts have to worry about is a movie..Must be nice to live in a world you feel revolves around you and your water head!

Omg maybe what this country needs is a nuke to hit to put things back into perspective for the whiners!

Rita Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 09:55 PM EST

Those people are retarded !!!

Susan Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 07:50 PM EST

I am a parent of a special needs child who has CP; a lot of people would take more offense to the usage of this word if you felt like it was something that could hurt your childs feelings or self esteem. My question is, why use words that could bring another person down if you don't have to? Is it really worth a good laugh at someones elses expense?

Joe Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 06:43 PM EST

Never fails to make me laugh how pathetic Americans tend to be. They only want free speech when it benefits them. It cant hurt somebody's feeling's and it better follow thier line of thinking.

Deal with it! If you are mentally ill or handicapped AKA retarded people laugh! Just like people laugh at fat people and other types of things.

I just find it a sad state of affairs in this country when people have nothing better to worry about other than some scene or line or really anything in a comedy movie...

They just played Blazing Saddles on the CMT channel a week or so ago did they get boycotted? Not that they should have, but please let speech alone! Its no wonder every country in the world hates us here in the USA! Seems like all we have to complain about is what radio show hosts say rather than just not listening, whats on a T.V. show rather than just not watching, or what they don't like about some movie they really don't have to watch!

Get over yourselves!

Eikinkloster Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 03:31 AM EST

Plank said: "I think the word you're looking for is "deviant." Hate-filled rhetoric is always most effective when it is spelled properly."
Ragamuffin said: "By the way, you shouldn't get so offended by someone correcting your inability to spell as well. If you can't spell, just accept it and get over it. It is just the way you were born...stupid"

Well Plank and Ragamuffin, you know what I think is the funniest? That people sidestepping the discussion with attempts to ridicule wrong spelling *nearly always* fail the grammar themselves. Really, why don't you guys bother to check the dictionary *before* doing the nit picking? I wasn't sure whether deviate was also a noun, so I checked on m-w dot com:

Main Entry:
2de·vi·ate
Pronunciation:
\-vē-ət, -vē-ˌāt\
Function:
noun
Date:
1912

1: one that deviates from a norm; especially : a person who differs markedly from a group norm

You can actually use it even as an adverb since 1929 :-).

xsxtxoxnxexr Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 06:35 PM EST

Howard Stern has done more to normalize the retarded and give them a voice than any other major celebrity in this country and he thought this was a funny movie worth seeing. Wendy The Retard, one of the MOST beloved members of the wackpack, was asked to comment on the protest and she said something to the effect of "if you don't say someone is retarded then how do you know they are retarded?" She didn't get all bent out of shape over something harmless. Neither Wendy NOR Gary seem offended by the term retard - in fact they've embraced it. And I defy you to find a single listener who wouldn't beat the hell out of anybody who wanted harm to come to either of them. It just goes to show that people who WANT to be offended will be, no matter what is being said. Take back the word retard and wear it proudly. Shielding retarded people from reality and hiding them in a "Special" box does them no favours. Even the retarded can have a sense of humour.

troy grayson Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 05:06 PM EST

My prior comments are at the bottom. Freedom of speech does apply to all - even those who do not want their loved ones hearing the word "retarded" as a "curse word" or an admonishment -- it is almost as if I could call you "CANCER" in a mean spirited way - "don't you know you are stupid because you have cancer" --makes about as much sense to make humor in this manner. The Lucy Show or Bob Hope may seem a bit old to many, but working hard for a laugh seems to be out of style. Taking an easy approach / style for years has been to shock. I loved George Carlin as he made us think even when he was being a bit blue - but the rest of the blue set seems think if they shout an obsenity it will make the nervous laughter start and it does sort of -- I will wait to see Ben till it comes out at a cheap theater to make sure I understand the full context, but a mentally challenged character being called retarded is a cheap laugh. Looking for the cheap laugh does not impress the ill or hurting.

karen Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 07:32 AM EST

It's a MOVIE! For ENTERTAINMENT purposes! J Edgar Hoover tried to ban a movie when he was in office that he thought ridiculed the CIA and FBI. He forgot it was a MOVIE! For ENTERTAINMENT purposes! Come on folks...I would rather these groups use a different platform for their causes instead of always using the film industry...although it is great publicity...GO BEN!

dma69 Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:16 PM EST

That's where your wrong, AJH. I do use public transportation every day, and I do have a crappy job. And The Ringer is still offensive. Who's the ignorant loser punk now?

Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:21 AM EST

Great....

Robert D, Jr. Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 08:14 AM EST

Not too long ago, a white guy at work called me a "N.....". I calmly told him that the word meant "lazy and shiftless" and that there were white "N......" too! So, really, I don't let the word bother me, as long as there is no mean intenet behind it.

Barrett Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 07:56 AM EST

Just keep smoking and other tobacco drug use out of the movies (and everywhere else, for that matter). Tobacco is a weapon of mass destruction that kills 5,000,000 users and hundreds of thousands of innocent people (who breathed toxic tobacco smoke) around the world every year. BAN TOBACCO NOW!

Matt Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 07:45 AM EST

It's a movie people just get over it!!! Bunch of wussies! If you don't like it then don't go see it!!!!

Nicole Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 07:34 AM EST

REALLY?! Is it that big of a deal? It's not like he went up to a mentally handicapped person and called them retarded...that WOULD BE BAD...but he called himself it! It's not bad!! Kids with disabilities are not "retarded" as the word is tended to be percieved for no reason as an insult to let's say...down syndrome...sweet kids, may not be all there but NOT retarded so it shouldnt be a term for them. They are special in they're own ways...not retarded...

and I cant WAIT to see this!

Ian Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:46 AM EST

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Movies can have whatever they want in them in the name of comedy. What about drama movies where people make racial slurs? American History X for instance? Is the word retarded more offensive or important than racial slurs? If you don't like it - don't watch the movie. And if boycotting one movie is the most productive thing you can find to do with your time, then that says a lot on its own....

get real.

Varmint Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:01 PM EST

come-on,come-on! sure "America land of the free & home of the brave". our forefathers & veterans have gone to war so we can enjoy this wonderful country & all of it's freedom. so where do you protesters get off? if you don't like the movie then just don't go see it! don't ruin it for the rest us who have not a problem with the "R" word. it could be that if the word "retard(s)" bothers you then maybe,just maybe there is a disorder within you.
'i don't mean to offend anyone with my writing here,all i am doing is speaking my own mind, sorry'.......

AJH Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:32 PM EST

@ dma69:

Special Olympics USA worked with the writers, producers and actors of The Ringer - they supported and endorsed the film from the beginning. Hence, you are wrong - it's not more offensive. And FYI, if a marginalized group tells you they are insulted, then they are. People in positions of ignorance and privilege don't have the final say here. It's those with intellectual disabilities (and their allies) who do. And by the way - my uncle with intellectual diasbilites has a life, thank you very much. He lives in a group home, has had jobs, takes the bus all over town to spend his own money. I bet you've never even set foot inside public transportation or worked a crap job to make a few bucks of your own. So grow up ya ignorant little loser punk. (P.S. - By your own logic you can't get offended because my comments only make you stronger, right? Ha ha ha ha ha ya worthless pawn. Again, you can't get offended at that because it only makes you stronger, right!?!?!?!?)

lovesadkids Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 09:30 PM EST

This shallow attempt to find national media coverage for it's all-too-sudden 'anti-R-word' campaign may end up backfiring. Get in line you champions of God's special ones! If you want to be offended by a BEN STILLER MOVIE, best be black. Or Vietnamese. Or how about those Vietnam vets (or should I say 'veterans'). In the spirit of Gaylord Falker, "retard retard retard". The offense is in the intent, not in the word.

WTF? Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 07:57 PM EST

Everything else aside...
Does anyone else find it strange how much publicity this movie is getting? AND it's not even out yet?? Is it just me, or do you think Ben Stiller staged this whole protest thing just to get people to talk about the movie??

Hate Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 07:34 PM EST

I hate everyone and everything.Humans suck !!! That includes me. I hope this world kills itself soon and everyone gets what they deserve.DEATH!!

Ree Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 07:23 PM EST

They have a point...Forrest Gump comes to mind. Then there is Philadephia. The same goes for when a beautiful woman transforms herself into an ugly woman for a role. The Academy just loves the throw the Oscars to the actors for those kinds of roles. If the public hasn't been able to figure that out after all this time then they do have their head in the sand.

Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 06:54 PM EST

Dozens? How many dozens? Is this a local event dozens or a nation wide dozens? If "the N word" is so bad, why do blacks use it to each other? Is this the most important thing you all can come up with for discussing? With all the problems there are in this country and world, you're all concerned about a single word. How about you all get out and do something that will make a difference that will be remembered longer than tomorrow morning?

Ragamuffin Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 06:44 PM EST

DAVE--wow what a stretch. You go from critizing people who are protesting a movie because they are offended by it, to saying you are offended yourself by the word "gay." Perhaps you should grow a thicker skin yourself. Most homosexuals I'm familiar with aren't offended by the word gay, but for some reason--YOU ARE? Unless you yourself are gay, that is pretty retarded, don't you think? Why should you care how a word is used to describe "Deviates" as you call them? By the way, you shouldn't get so offended by someone correcting your inability to spell as well. If you can't spell, just accept it and get over it. It is just the way you were born...stupid. (No, you didn't use the right word. Deviate is a verb, not an adjective. It means to change course or digress--as in "the ship deviated from it's course to miss the approaching storm.") So, go back to school, learn the difference between verbs and adjectives, and then come back and criticize people for their deviant behavior.

greijing2008dotcom Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 06:38 PM EST

i can't believe it's 2008 and there are still people who can't laugh. we have the biggest laugh fest in beijing, i mean greijing china and people can't even laugh at a movie. grow up. greijing2008dotcom

jazman Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 05:46 PM EST

I love all these comments...it's better than the protesters.

Dr. No Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 05:35 PM EST

This is so ridiculous. Comedy is all about joking about something "painful" at times, and crossing the lines. Family Guy , the movie the Ringer, do they get these protests ? What a joke. Bunch of.......idiots.

kay Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 05:25 PM EST

Screw the word police. You can't keep eliminating words from the English language. Read the Bill of Rights fer pete's sake!

dma69 Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 05:12 PM EST

1) Where were these protesters when The Ringer was in theaters? That's way more offensive, not to mention not very funny. I also think that Radio was just as bad and offensive, just because Cuba was so desperate for respect that he has to resort to playing a retard (Yes, I used that dreaded word. You got a problem, bite me!)
2) Who hasn't used to word "retarded" to call someone stupid? I was even called retarded as a kid. It didn't kill me. It made me stonger.
3) These people need to get a life. They're not protesting to get attention. They're protesting because tey have no lives of their own and they have a rod stuck up this tushes. Lighten up, you crybabies!!! It's a COMEDY!!! Oh boo hoo. Someone made fun of you. Get over yourselves. I plan on seeing the film. Just to piss them off.

t3hdow Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 04:58 PM EST

To Emma:
Hypocrisy much? Wildecat, to her credit, does a better job at this than what you're trying to propose. For all the accusations you throw at us acting like 5th graders, most of the people you've bashed far more thought provoking answers compared to the narrow minded, fire and brimstone preachings you keep using to condemn anyone from using the word, period. Not all of us who loosely use the term is against the handicapped. My mom's an administrator over a chain of dialysis clinics, which often contains some handicapped individuals. Never have I disrespected them by referring to them as retards in their face, yet that doesn't keep me from using the word to describe Britney's latest boneheaded move. Even if words have a long seedy history behind them (n!gger and b!tch, being the standouts), it's the context that matters more.
Orca's right about one thing. It's better to center your energy on matters more chronic than a summer film we'll forget before October.

Dave Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 03:44 PM EST

Dave,

I think the word you're looking for is "deviant." Hate-filled rhetoric is always most effective when it is spelled properly.

Plank,
Actually I got the word right. they are deviates, & their behavior is deviant. They deviates from the norm, and as that is total truth there is no hate intended. Only factal representation of certain behaviors in a small minority of the population. Buy a dictionary and grow a thicker skin (but thanks for making my point for me.)

Plank Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 03:38 PM EST

Dave,

I think the word you're looking for is "deviant." Hate-filled rhetoric is always most effective when it is spelled properly.

Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 03:36 PM EST

If a film like Goodfellas depicts gangsters doing gangster stuff, does that mean that the film necessarily endorses this behavior? Likewise, if a character in a film (a comedy no less) uses the word "retard" to describe a mentally challenged person, does that mean that the filmakers regard mentally handicapped people as such? Screenwriters use dialogue to lend color to their characters. In this case, isn't it possible that the screenwriter was trying to say something about the character (using word choice) rather than insult mentally handicapped people? Just because you wouldn't use a particular nasty word to describe someone, doesn't mean that that word should be stricken from the language.

Chris Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 03:33 PM EST

Haha, I'm white, so should I have protested white girls??? How can you laugh at something else if you can't laugh at yourself? Fag, retard, white trash, honkey. If you think it's offensive don't watch it. The day it actually causes physical harm to someone, or the mental harm of an abusive parent, then you'll have the right to complain.


-d0wns

Dave Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 03:23 PM EST

We all need to grow thicker skins. People will use words that you will find offensive, so get over it. I personally find "gay" offensive. Gay means carefree and happy, but the homosexuals I know are usually sad miserable people trying to find a way back to acceptance by mainstream, America. Deviate would be a better term to describe them.

Max Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 03:22 PM EST

Joe, you have no idea what you are talking about. The movie makes fun of actors, not those with developmental disabilities.

joe Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 03:12 PM EST

lets see if this would be funny:

germany in the early 40s. german movie and actors. now replace the r word with "jew" and the associated movie and promos. now that would be really funny ben. pity you were not in germany at the time to see the humor in that. i mean jew is the technical term for jewish people is it not.

usa in the 1800s. white actors and movie. now do the same but replace with the n word. again that would be funny would it not?

90% of parents who actually want kids terminate their child when they find out they have DS. if you think in anyway that this movie is ok and ok because it is humor then i guess you would go nuts for the above films.

i do not think being against those films would be a case of "politically correctness" and i certainly would not need to see them to know that they would not be funny.

stargatefix Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 02:49 PM EST

This is an R rated movie who cares if they say Retard or not. I doubt anyone over the age of 17 will go up to a mentally handicapped person and call them a retard to their face. Also I think RETARDED is a better word than MENTALLY HANDICAPPED that just sounds worse to me.

I have family members myself who are "mentally handicapped" I still dont think it is a big deal if someone says the word RETARD.

This is just a movie WHO CARES get over yourself. you people are just so board with your lives that you have nothing better to do than attack a MOVIE!

Ona-Whim Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 02:19 PM EST

Wildecat, I wouldn't dare call you a bad parent. I'm merely saying that it's a waste of time to "educate" people on the forum of an entertainment site. I have no idea what you do outside of the internet and your heart is most definitely in the right place, but you're not accomplishing anything here by using your freedom of speech to say that the creators of this film should not be utilizing THEIR freedom of speech. And I do dare to say that your daughter (and others) would benefit much more if your freedom of speech was applied to something that would have more of a positive impact than arguing with morons (myself included, if you so choose) on some meaningless entertainment forum over a movie that will be completely forgotten in less than 3 months. If you're going to argue about the morality of a movie, choose one that has some lasting power. Why give a movie that won't be around very long more undeserved lasting power by pointing out possible controversy. Your anger helps them.

jon Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 01:59 PM EST

Wilde you doofus... the dichotomy is between "all around bad parent" (which no one accused you of) and doing one thing that amounts to "bad parenting" (which everyone is accusing you of). I'm done explaining it to you, if you can't figure out that difference for yourself... well, whatever.

wildecat Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 01:09 PM EST

So, jon, I'm not a "bad parent," I'm just guilty of "bad parenting"? Nice way to split hairs there, buddy!

nikki Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 01:05 PM EST

I think people need to lighten up and remember this is just a movie and all in good fun

jon Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:49 PM EST

Nice try Wilde, but nobody said you're an all around bad parent, just that your instinct to want to censor the freedoms others in the name of protecting your child is bad parenting.

wildecat Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:38 PM EST

I find it really fascinating how Ona-Whim, Jon and Jay can somehow equate me using my (excuse me) FREEDOM OF SPEECH to express my displeasure about this movie with me being a “bad parent.” In my original post, I was simply trying to remind people about the possible fallout from this movie, and call out the hypocrisy of Stiller’s statements in EW. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’ll guess I’ll go back to stuffing my kids with mac & cheese while they play with sharp knives and set the house on fire.

Jay Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:01 PM EST

Movies and t-shirts are great scapegoats for bad/negligent parenting. Why teach your kids values and what you feel is inappropriate when you can spend more time trying to police the freedoms of the rest of the world.

I grew up on 'offensive' movies, but I still knew there was a time and place for everything. I also knew not to throw around the word "retard" because it could offend someone. How did I know this? My parents took the time to pay attention to what I was doing and talk about it.

galaxy23 Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:00 PM EST

If someone calls me a skinny ass cracker honky I laugh. The people I'm around almost never use a proper name. Its fun. Ive worked places were blacks and wight used racial slurs for entertainment all day. I attributed this to the fact every one thought racism is so stupid we were making fun of racist. Us crackers did not use the n word directly at any one who was actually black, that's just not funny. I have friends who work with handicapped people and I have a hard time not using the word retard around them. There is a time and place for this, you cant just go out in public expect people to under stand your just kidding. If I'm talking about a handicap person I don't use the word retard there's really no reason. Its not really meant to hurt any ones feelings it just a good descriptive word to git your point across. If the word offends you keep your retarded ass out of the theater.

If you cant laugh at your self your lying to your self. No one is perfect

jon Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:36 AM EST

Wildecat -- Great point. The whole world should be run so that your daughter never has to experience anything bad in life even if it means restricting the activities and choices of 4 billion other people. Very reasonable. Hey, here's a thought --- why don't you try PARENTING your child instead of struggling to reshape the world around her.

Ashley Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:35 AM EST

When I say "that was retarded" or "you're retarded", I'm not trying to be offensive towards those with disabilities. It's just a word that I use on occasion. I'm of mixed race and have heard words and phrases used against my race, and if it shows up in a movie I may be irritated, but I'm not going to think that Ben Stiller is an a$$hole and went out to purposely offend me. However, I can't speak for anyone who has children with disabilities. As much as it irritates me that people are taking offense to every word that may be offensive, we kind of can't say "it's freedom of speech", if we don't allow those who are against using the word "retard" freedom of speech too.

Veronica Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:31 AM EST

Thanks to all I have read! I will definitely be seeing this movie!! I love all these actors!

wildecat Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:27 AM EST

Excuse me, Ona-Whim, but trying to educate obviously ingnorant people like yourself is a BIG part of having a child with a disability. I will advocate for my daughter is any way I see fit. I'm an EW subscriber and a regular reader of this website and if I want to express my feelings about this movie, I'll darn well do so.

useyourhead Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 11:22 AM EST

The one thing I can't get past is this. The n-word was ALWAYS intended to be offensive. The term retarded was NOT. I was only in the last decade or so that people decided to make it a dirty word.

Ona-Whim Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:55 AM EST

Wildcat--if your daughter spends any time outside of the house around people, she's going to hear a lot worse and read worse t-shirts. Where were the feminists for the "No fat chicks" t-shirts?

It's just a stupid catchphrase that will come and go as quickly as the next big comedy comes out and there's far greater dangers than your daughter reading a t-shirt. How about you go to a different website and argue about there being too much violence in schools. Or how about you argue that schools in the U.S. suck horribly bad at educating students. Or at the very least, go to whatever school your daughter goes to and tell them that you don't appreciate them allowing students to wear offensive t-shirts in a place of learning.

Basically I'm saying that your anger is misplaced and you're wasting that anger by displaying it on the Hollywood Insider website. I know I'm wasting my time arguing my cause on here, but I have no lives that depend on me. You have a daughter--you have no excuse.

Emma Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:54 AM EST

Looks like the 5th grade has taken over the forum.

Now, in real life I don't actually engage in serious discussions about social issues with 10 year olds, so I won't bother here.

EW, you need to clean up your forum.

wildecat Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:39 AM EST

Yes, we KNOW it’s a satire – we KNOW it’s making fun of the self-important actors. The problem is, my daughter and others like her wind up being the "collateral damage" of them making their point. Did you know they're already selling "Never go full retard" t-shirts on the Internet? Do you really think the teenage boys who buy those shirts will wear them in a "satirical" way? If so, please stop by my house to comfort my daughter after she sees one of those shirts or hears that "hilarious" new catchphrase. "It's OK, honey, Mr. Stiller was just being SATIRICAL." Yeah, right. By the way, in this week's EW, Stiller and Downey talk about what a fine line they had to walk so that Downey's character wasn't too offensive, or "minstrel-like." He wasn't allowed to say the N-word. But the Simple Jack character plays to all the worse stereotypes about the handicapped, and the R-word was thrown about around 20 times. Double standard, much?

Ona-Whim Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:30 AM EST

Orca--if a person were to go into North Philly and say a single word and then not make it out alive, then there's something seriously wrong with North Philly and many of the inhabitants deserve any insulting words they may receive. "Come say that in North Philly!" Why would I say that in North Philly? I don't want to be murdered by a bunch of retards. Murdering someone over a single stupid word is RETARDED!

Anyway, as for the topic at hand, yes, in everyday life, people should show each other respect, but people also need to have a sense of humor about things. If we all showed each other a decent amount of respect and had enough of a sense of humor to shrug off or even laugh at silly insults, the world would be a far better place.

This movie is rated R and is therefor meant for people who should be mature enough to not be influenced by any negative messages it may deliver. If you're a parent of a young child who wants to see this, then you should probably take steps against it.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:11 AM EST

re·tard·ed Audio Help /rɪˈtɑrdɪd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-tahr-did] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. characterized by retardation: a retarded child.
–noun 2. (used with a plural verb) mentally retarded persons collectively (usually prec. by the): new schools for the retarded.


It's in the dictionary, the word is used accurately. Protest all you want, this movie is going to be huge. Do you honestly think parading a bunch of retards outside of the premiere is going to stop people from seeing the movie? I'm sure it will cause an effect, the effect of people taunting the retarded people protesting it.

jon Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:11 AM EST

Here's my quick impression of the protestors "Wolf! Wolf! Come quick everyone, a the hollywood wolf is eating our mentally disabled children!" It's too bad these people are marginalizing themselves over this clearly satirical movie because the next time something comes along that REALLY an attack on the mentally handicapped, well... we all know how the world reacts to those who cry wolf.


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