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'Grey's Anatomy': Shonda Rhimes on her plans for Erica and Callie

May 23, 2008, 07:53 AM | by Lynette Rice

Categories: TV Biz

Greysanatomy_lFor Grey’s Anatomy fans who began the season wondering whether Dr. ­Erica Hahn (Brooke Smith) was gay, the May 22 season finale finally offered an answer — she might just be, now that Callie (Sara Ramirez) made her move. The two-hour episode — which culminated with Callie planting a big ol' buss on Erica outside of Seattle Grace — had us asking: For the love of The L Word, could Eri-Cal eclipse Meredith and Derek as Grey's It Couple? Creator Shonda Rhimes hints that we may not have seen the last of this budding romance. “Callie and Erica have an undeniable chemistry,” says Rhimes. “And watching the story unfold is something the writers are looking forward to. I wanted to illuminate their relationship in the same way we do all relationships on the show — it will be ­funny, sweet, honest, and a little bit dirty.”

As for Smith, she doesn’t think Dr. Hahn was coming out of the closet in the last few weeks leading up to the finale. In fact, she and Rhimes specifically talked about Hahn not being gay when Smith first joined the show last fall. "Earlier this season, we felt it was too obvious that a strong, powerful woman would be a lesbian," says Smith. "In fact, Dr. Hahn decided she wasn't going to have a relationship at work, though clearly she came to the wrong hospital."

Like the fans, Smith said she and Ramirez were kept guessing about their relationship until days before taping of the final episode. Even costars like Patrick Dempsey were caught off guard by the surprise kiss; Smith remembers him gasping at the table read and saying, "Are you two getting together?"

"Sara Ramirez is not a bad choice. She's pretty hot!" says Smith. "Why not? I'm game."

Toni on FlashFM Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 05:01 PM EST

I like how people call it immoral, yet up until now they've sat through adultery, a character who admitted to having an abortion, premarital sex, divorce, and 2 other gay storylines with recurring and guest characters. Talk about hypocrisy.

Sappho Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 01:10 PM EST

Alright, something that straight people don't seem to understand is that there is not one uniform way to 'turn gay'. It happens when it happens, and someone could realize that they're bisexual or homosexual overnight, or it could take months.

Straight people have no right to judge homosexuality, because they don't understand it. And, to be honest, those people who judge anyway... are morons. Complete and utter asinine morons. Don't try to argue or judge something you don't know anything about, because the best you could eve be is wrong.

That being said, as a bisexual female, I don't see anything unrealistic or 'lame' about how this relationship is developing. I think it is being wonderfully written, and beautifully played by two talented actresses.

Respect the Rainbow.

iBeleave Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 11:17 PM EST

I'm late to the discussion, but as GA is starting up for the season again, I wanted to see where this series is headed. I too am saddened by the lesbian theme. I have enjoyed the show. Yes, the story line is immoral. Can't get around that. But it is about people and how they deal with life. I don't tune out of all shows that are immoral. I do limit how far I will continue to watch though. As someone said, if you don't like it, change the channel. Which is what I have chosen to do here. Immorality portrayed a part of normal, acceptable way of life does have it's influence on us. TV writers know that. The LGBT knows that, and freely admit that is why they encourage LGBT themes in television. LGBT is a choice. Everyone chooses what level of morality is acceptable to them. I'm sure even those of you who are happy with this theme have other limits regarding what you will and will not watch. We have a choice.

Jumas Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 05:48 AM EST

Noooooo....
Im not over with the george/callie thingy yet... ahhhhhh
*sob*
i guess there aint anymo chances..

Sickofbiblebeaters Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 10:33 AM EST

I am tired of religious people speaking on these message boards. if you are so into DEFENDING GOD then go to church and stay away from the topic of homosexuality. I feel like most of you are OBSESSED. you talk about how it's a sin and it's an abomination well i think YOU'RE AN ABOMINATION. I was raised catholic and it's people like YOU that made me lose my faith. JESUS DIDN'T JUDGE. The only person who's in the position to look down on any of us is GOD!!!

Callie4ev Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 06:57 PM EST

I'm all for the callie/erica relationship I'm looking forward to what shonda rhimes has in store for this couple. It's about time a new interesting relationship come about other from merder. I'm interesting in seeing whats going to happen i could only watch my fav couple break up and get back together so many times. Go grey's smart move. If people are talking about it whether they oppose or not they must care which means grey's is abviously the hit juicy drama series on tv that everyone buzz about. Well done Shonda

kmack Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 09:55 PM EST

Shonda talked about working with GLAAD to write the storyline and how important it is to her that they present this particular story as legitimate and not just a gimmick.
I'm PSYCHED!!!

Mari SanGiovanni Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 04:13 PM EST

If you like the Callie and Erica story you will like the book "Greetings From Jamaica, Wish You Were Queer..." ;)

jes Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:21 AM EST

Sara was on The View and said that she's excited about the storyline...however Shonda writes it. She said that expanding homophobic views is very important.

Leigh Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:35 AM EST

I think the fact there are over 160 comments on this article whereas the average for the EW Hollywood Insider story is around 5 shows that Shonda is pretty brilliant. BONES' executive producer, Hart Hansen, keeps pointing out (re: the rage-inducing season ender) that it's better to have people talking about your show than ignoring it. Well, one way or another, this is clearly a storyline that is not being ignored. Awesome.

zakry Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:49 AM EST

It is so hilarious when people start getting all up in arms when a show presents a gay storyline -- some people want to call it "lazy" (gay storylines are not so common place that the criticism holds any water whatsoever) and others claim that it is "in their face." I submit that if these folks offered a look into their closets, it would should they are waaaaay more familiar with gay themes than they want to present. In less Freudian themes - jeez, people, its 2008! Gay people have been here since time began, its time to quick being so "shocked." The rest of the world is laughing at us! Open your mind and think, for once. Try.

Sporty Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:00 PM EST

Let me clarify my previous statement. I dont recall the show saying that they were making a political statement. So far its only one character who got turned on by her female friend which happens in real life,& even if she does become gay or bisexual then ok cool. Its no big deal its just another drama filled, juicy storyline IMO. Drama is why folks watch, right?
For example, Alex sleeping with Ava a married woman has been interesting even thou it violated one of God's 10 Commandments. I mean should the show warn people that tonight will be a "Special Adulterous Grey's Anatomy"? tonight will be a "Fornication filled Grey's Anatomy". Sin is sin. What makes homosexual behavior so specialized? I guess every show needs to list all the sins accroding to the Bible that will be displayed...lying, murder, drugs, alcohol, if you object to any of these sins then tune out tonight's episode. Shoot,if one wants all pureness watch Sesame Street or the Trinity Broadcasting Network. GO GREYS!

Sporty Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:00 PM EST

Let me clarify my previous statement. I dont recall the show saying that they were making a political statement. So far its only one character who got turned on by her female friend which happens in real life,& even if she does become gay or bisexual then ok cool. Its no big deal its just another drama filled, juicy storyline IMO. Drama is why folks watch, right?
For example, Alex sleeping with Ava a married woman has been interesting even thou it violated one of God's 10 Commandments. I mean should the show warn people that tonight will be a "Special Adulterous Grey's Anatomy"? tonight will be a "Fornication filled Grey's Anatomy". Sin is sin. What makes homosexual behavior so specialized? I guess every show needs to list all the sins accroding to the Bible that will be displayed...lying, murder, drugs, alcohol, if you object to any of these sins then tune out tonight's episode. Shoot,if one wants all pureness watch Sesame Street or the Trinity Broadcasting Network. GO GREYS!

Turning Taz gay Wed, May 28, 2008 at 07:44 PM EST

Callie made out with one girl..they hardly "turned her gay". The problem you may be trying to articulate is you were hoping for some real homosexual characters on the show and all you got was a hot kiss and this crummy T-shirt. But as for your offended sensibilities, they didn't change the character so much as forced you to come up with a better euphemism for Callie's behavior than "aggressively heterosexual" most ofthe less politically correct terms would still work I think, but if it helps just think of her as "aggressively sexual" instead. Other terms I can think of for a girl who's made out with one of her friends on a whim or out of curiosity..drunk? someone who went away to college? someone who went away to summer camp? typical? common?
In fact making out with your hot friends often leads to sex with boys...But don't worry I'm sure they give you some real gay people soon enough

Sporty's Throat Wed, May 28, 2008 at 07:29 PM EST

If I would like you to open up so I can gently ease something down your throat, I will tell you beforehand, make sure your prepared..then if you know that's my intention and you decided to stick around, a reasonable person could assume you're ok with the coming throat intrusion.
If, on the otherhand, I don't care if you're ok with it, or more to the point, My true desire is to shove things down the throats of people who are not expecting it and would stay away if they knew what plans I had for their tender little throats...Well then, there wouldn't be a warning would there? That would drive away my target audience and ruin all the fun. By definition announcing there was going be a special "GAY Grey's Anatomy" is the exact opposite of shoving it down someone's throat. It was your analogy, just trying to be helpful.

Hey Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:39 PM EST

I agree with Taz. What is it that makes people only accept gay people if they've "turned" gay as opposed to just being a plain 'ole gay person? I'm not an expert, but the gay people I know were usually "straight" when they were in high school. Their parents often didn't know they were gay as adults, but their friends and peers usually did. It just seems so fake to me.

mosippy Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:30 AM EST

Regarding Callie being an "obviously heterosexual woman"... the way I see it life isn't always black and white, and one thing that's great about Grey's is that it does show the shades of grey. Sure, there are people who are 100% heterosexual and others who are undeniably homosexual but many others fall elsewhere on the spectrum. IMO the writers have handled the story line skillfully and realistically, and Sara Ramirez and Brooke Smith have made a large audience -- gay and straight-- believe. I say bravo.

Sporty Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:49 PM EST

To all the people who feel like Grey's is shoving gayness down their throat get real. Other stories on Grey's involved a Deer receiving treatment at a hospital, a man who had his daughter's heart transplanted into him, Izzie who stole a heart for a man, MerDer guarding a door while two youngin's got it on, etc. It's just a relationship b/w 2 ppl. I mean look how long it took MerDer to get together and the show started off with them waking from what could have been a one night stand. I'm sure there will be twists in this thing if there is even a thing. Look at Alex & Izzie HOT then cold. On top of that Derek, Meredith, George, Addison, The Chief, & Izzie etc have committed adultery. God doesn't condone that, & you still watch?? Now if Grey's Anatomy started introducing it's shows saying tonight will be a "Special GAY Grey's Anatomy" then that's shoving it down your throat. Think about it, if someone is truly homosexual hasn't the show shoved heterosexual behavior down their throat??

finally! Tue, May 27, 2008 at 07:20 PM EST

I agree Katherine. Its about time they had straight female surgeons engage in a single passionate yet emotionally meaningless kiss. Finally people like you and me on TV!

Katherine Tue, May 27, 2008 at 05:24 PM EST

Wow, I must say, I'm glad to see a well-done same-sex romance storyline being portrayed on TV. Kudos to the people who write, produce, act, and are otherwise involved in creating this show! On a non-niche, mainstream show, it's nice to see characters whose love lives I can relate to more.

Beth Tue, May 27, 2008 at 05:04 PM EST

Yay, gays on Grey's! About time, too!

Penny Tue, May 27, 2008 at 04:04 PM EST

I simply do not want to see same sex in pasionate kissing. I know many gays and like them very much, i.e my hair dresser, my cousin and in the work place.

Taz Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM EST

While it's great to have gay plotlines and romances in t.v. series, I'm kind of tired of this ratings ploy of taking an aggressively heterosexual female character and suddenly turning her gay, as if homosexuality was a switch that can be turned on and off at will, just so that they can have girl on girl kissing. It's gotten repetitive and dishonest. Grey's does some great stories, but they seem to be making a habit of these sort of out of character stunts. I stopped watching because of that for awhile, came back to the show, and now I'm not sure I'll keep watching.

Stephanie T. Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:18 AM EST

It would not be a story without a conflict. I think that McSteamy is going to fit somewhere into the equation even if he said that he'd grown.

Rasha Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:45 AM EST

I completely agree with Andrew. I'm also a writer, and I see the storyline as sheer laziness too. I have nothing against gay people or the representation of gay relationships. I'd love to see more of it on television, but painted in a realistic light, which really hasn't happened in mainstream television. If anyone can make that happen, Shonda Rhimes can.

Now that the show feelsl ike it's back to being great Grey's again, I can't wait another four months for it to come back on the air, shark-jumping lesbians or all! :)

Jen Tue, May 27, 2008 at 01:43 AM EST

I think it would be good to keep Callie and Han together! It's like adding a flavor in that show, like trying something new. It's very interesting x]

Amy Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:36 PM EST

i am a HUGE fan of callie and erica..PLEASE keep them together...so true...their chemistry is undeniable...

Leo Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:03 PM EST

Don’t let religion stunt us as a society, but instead let us grow in Love, Unity and Peace with it. I know most of what I said is not conventional, but if I read it right, isn’t that what they said about Jesus.

Leo Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:01 PM EST

I am a man who is gay and christian. For those that have a true relationship with a God of their calling, knows that is one relationship that is not dictated by outside influences. That being said, I believe God made me gay and loves me for it. It was not a choice I made. You can try and counter my God given truths by rattling off scripture from a Bible written by men, who were influenced by God, but man is faltered. Also, one of the main ideas the Bible covers is the subject of Faith. To believe in something that can't be proven by man made means or logic. A feeling so complete and true, that it is engraved on ones soul forever. It is that faith, wisdom, and that connection I have directly with him that tells me I am not wrong. I am exactly who I was meant to be. So bravo, Grey’s Anatomy for telling this story. At the end of it all, we are just the same; gay, straight, black, white, christian, and jewish. Why do most people forget to quote those things from the Bible?

Jed Mon, May 26, 2008 at 10:43 PM EST

Humans aren't the only animals to engage in homosexual behavior. Dolphins, chimpanzees, and yes, even dogs can be seen doing it. Many people think it's funny when their two pets go through the motions, maybe even think it's cute. Then those same people get offended when two humans do it... The reason it is frowned upon in our culture (for the most part) is because of our traditions of inheritance. Most Caucasians come from monarchic traditions that hinged on marrying the appropriate mate and producing an heir of THEIR OWN. You know, Blue Bloods and such. Many royals, trying to adhere to this law, had trouble finding partners out of their own families, leading to inbreeding. All just to maintain bloodlines. Homosexuality obviously is not conducive to this tradition. The laws (such as those in the Bible) they promulgated reflected this and years later we still feel the effects. In time, society will move past these dated traditions and focus on real problems, like pollution. Amen!

Webster's Code Mon, May 26, 2008 at 06:24 PM EST

The author of "To Sarah O" has cleverly written his comment in English to make it difficult for the average poster on this board to decipher.

lines read lines Mon, May 26, 2008 at 06:18 PM EST

To those people struggling with the comment by "To Sarah O". Its pretty clear what I think he was trying to say. Try reading the comment by "Sarah O" first and you might understand it better. If that still doesn't help..hmm, think child resistant cap...maybe it's just not meant for you.

NotwithoutmyTV Mon, May 26, 2008 at 05:58 PM EST

To To Sarah O:

So, if you're a gay man who only has relationships with women, and your wife is a lesbian who only likes guys, then aren't you both... straight? What's gay about either one of you, or are you just trying to create another on of those "gender queer" subclasses to be different?

Andrew Mon, May 26, 2008 at 05:10 PM EST

I just can't handle this week after week. It's just not worth seeing every single episode.

Martin Mon, May 26, 2008 at 09:02 AM EST

It's disheartening to read people's comments on how they will stop watching this program now, when they have enjoyed countless hours of people falling in and out of bed with one another, regardless of marital status.

People who have a problem with homosexuality tend to say they are the victims of hypocrisy - that it's only those who support this lifestyle that are allowed to have an opinion. Please understand, it's not that one disapproves, it's that one has an opinion in the first place. Why is this something to be agreed or disagreed over?

to "to sarah O" Mon, May 26, 2008 at 07:55 AM EST

YOU ARE A HOMOSEXUAL MAN MARRIED TO A LESBIAN????????? WHAT?????!!!!!!!!!!! NOW THAT IS WEIRD.

Much Ado Mon, May 26, 2008 at 05:42 AM EST

Oh come on. It's-just-a-show. sorry, though, that it HAD to be Erica and Callie. Too predictable. Methinks Christina and Lexie would have been a better choice.

Our Agenda Sun, May 25, 2008 at 09:49 PM EST

Leigh wants to know why people our tuning out after a lesbian scene but sat through 4 season of an otherwise morally bankrupt plot. Kay points out Gay people are in life why not on TV? The answer of course is right there in your posts but our offended friends can't quite put their finger on it. they're put off for the same reason you get excited! Leigh you view the presence of homosexual relationships as social progress. This has been an intent for some time. Some of us drive it knowingly, others are unintentionally complicit but it doesn't work when you admit it. the goal is to gradually subject the majority to more and more of whatever we want them to accept so slowly they don't even know it until they become convinced its perfectly natural and can't imagine why anyone enlightened could object. They sense somethings being done to them but just miss what it is. Paradigm shift. Control the media, control the schools.. you can shape outlook. Each generation will accept a little more.

swim Sun, May 25, 2008 at 09:19 PM EST

Jennifer, the world is sad and crazy. Unfortunately this is not new. The change you're perceiving is behavior normally acted out in private is now socially acceptable. Step by step we have pushed the envelope gradually changing what is acceptable on our televisions. Evidenced bythe fact that it took until two women kissed for this primetime network show to finally shock you. In the name of tolerance this is now not only ok but most expect you to approve or keep silent otherwise. They've already won that battle, its too late to object probably. the question is, why object now? God doesn't much approve of much of what happens on GA, does He? I empathize with your plight as a parent as well. Was Grey's appropriate for your daughter before 2 girls kissed? The truth is Network TV now takes on the same themes and subjects as paid cable, why they bother prohibiting nudity I can't understand. Anyone who'd be offended likely already is. Will you get used to this also?

Hollywood Sun, May 25, 2008 at 09:08 PM EST

Plot lines are written to keep fans coming back for more.......I'm frankly sorry that a lesbian story line is so "shocking." I say get on with life and bring drama back to the TV drama ~ do we really need more
sexual issues?

jennifer Sun, May 25, 2008 at 08:27 PM EST

I am sad that our world is becoming crazy. I am shocked that they kissed..I am disappointed that greys anatomy has added this to their show. I love the show, but I do not like the idea of people saying that you are born GAY...I myself am not gay because I do believe that God created us, and if he doesn't agree with 2 people being Gay, then I stand by his word and only his word. I think it is a sad world, and it is not my place to judge people, but I can disagree with something that they have added to their show. I hope they decide to write it off the show, I do have a daughter now, whom I don't want watching things like that because we don't believe that way. I do love the show, and it would be a shame if they kept them on the show as being GAY :(

joey Sun, May 25, 2008 at 07:52 PM EST

I think everyone is ASSUMING that Erica and Callie will end up being lesbians. Because they kissed doesn't mean that they will end up as lesbians. Sometimes friends of the same sex end up sharing a deep emotional bond which can translate into sex sometimes. Now that has other ramifications of its own but it doesn't mean that they are gay. I am anticipating what will happen with them. It may shock everyone but Callie may end up being the one whose gay or bi and Hahn not. Looking forward also to seeing what will happen with Lexie and George

Portia Sun, May 25, 2008 at 07:32 PM EST

The three comments posted before this are all awesome! Thank you all for your voices of reason in the madness that is this message board!

There's still no lesbians Sun, May 25, 2008 at 05:25 PM EST

There was absolutely nothing in the show by the way that indicated thiswas anything more than "they kissed in the elevator, Callie got turned on, she got curious, she fantasized, she acted on it, Hahn was into it to" To everyone offended: You really didn't see this coming? You weren't offended when the main character said " because we screw boys like w****s on tequila"? To everyone who's "so happy to see homosexuality finally represented" and thinks "it's about time": Seriously? This is what you've been waiting for? For what purpose? Was it unrealistic that 2 females surgeons hadn't been making out at work? All this has done is further prove that on this show anyone is likely to get together with anyone and eventually they probably will. Maybe you are hoping this will develop into a monogamous lesbian relationship? Noone on this show is monogamous why would the show single out lesbians in that manner? Sorry nothing is being represented but gratuitous promiscuity..which is why you watch

Barb Rights! Sun, May 25, 2008 at 05:04 PM EST

Wow! Holy effin hypocrits batman! Barb was born this way, Morality has now been found to be a genetic trait so back off she's now a protected weirdo like everyone else. Khalkis gays and lesbians are like blacks and jews? really? You couldn't possibly believe that could you? Slavery Apartheid, separate schools, the holocaust? Forget that line of thought. Must be because they can't vote? find jobs? No? Sorry the history doesn't even matter the real difference here is at whatever point a person "becomes gay" if that even happens, Barb was not disagreeing with their existence, she has a philosophical objection to their VOLUNTARY related behavioral choices. Many Vegetarians don't like watching me eat cheeseburgers, they're not a hate group out to get us meat-eaters. Some of them may be! But when you group everyone of a certain belief as a dangerous hateful extremist, you are the dangerous one. You are the one blindly hating. Now stop being a Barbist! Please retire from the thought police.

To Sarah O Sun, May 25, 2008 at 04:35 PM EST

Your comments about Christianity really struck a chord. You see my problem is the way TV is always portraying homosexuals as being into members of the same sex. I happen to be a homosexual male. Of course I'm not attracted to men and choose to only have relationships with people of the opposite sex. In fact, I'm married to a lesbian who only likes men. We don't appreciate being lumped in with the fringe homosexuals who actual practice homosexuality.I therefore totally understand you identifying yourself as a Christian but not wanting to associate yourself with the whackos out there who actually base their beliefs on what's written in the Bible.

Really? Sun, May 25, 2008 at 04:15 PM EST

Elle,
Did you ever notice that people who think differently than you are not just voicing an opposing opinion but actually have deep inner issues, are "programmed", or are otherwise completely incapable of "challenging themselves" intellectually?. Thank goodness you are so open-minded. It must help when dealing with all of the close-minded people who don'tsee things your way. And..homosexuality is just like opposable thumbs..no really i get it, great analogy. But nevermind that I got your real point, beneath all of the gay babies talk, you showed your true homophobic tendencies. Who's to say homosexuals didn't win the genetic lottery? Do you see it as some sort of disease? Maybe you need to search within yourself a litte hmm? there's a difference between repecting someone who's different, and patronizing/ pitying some unfortuate person you feel is beneath you. notice how I respected you by not going easy just because you're a little slow? That's because I'm open-minded

faraway Sun, May 25, 2008 at 04:12 PM EST

Used to be my favorite show but I shan't be watching lesbian scenes so I guess its on to another show. We'll be watching porn just now, because after all sex is very natural.

Margie Sun, May 25, 2008 at 04:11 PM EST

I was disappointed to see Erica Hahn "rewarded" with a relationship with a person of any gender, when she has been so mean. It reflects poorly on Callie to overlook this. For the person who says the show is a soap opera, that is so true. It is what it is.

Elle Sun, May 25, 2008 at 03:51 PM EST

To Nick Below: Thank you for making the decision not to continue projecting your ignorance to other readers or viewers of Grey's.
It's such a shame that you lack the compassion to understand and sympathize with anyone that does not follow 'your' description of normalcy. I hadn't realized that being 'normal' really mattered so much! Do you think the first human ancestor with an opposable thumb caught the same ridicule you're prescribing?
Look...I understand that it's easier to view the world from where 'you' stand...but...could you please challenge yourself to view the world from where someone else stands? What if you didn't win the 'genetic' lottery...and you were, in fact, gay?
What if your child or grandchild is born gay? Does that make them any less of a person...any less capable of love...any less worth your respect?
Maybe you should revisit this issue within yourself...before you continue projecting...at least that would make you a more credible source!

Pealusti Sun, May 25, 2008 at 03:24 PM EST

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Not that it matters but... Sun, May 25, 2008 at 02:09 PM EST

Catherine Heigl is nowhere near a size 2. She is a robust, healthy-looking girl who I would judge to be closer to a size 8...Just saying....

Catnac Sun, May 25, 2008 at 01:56 PM EST

Here is my problem with Hahn Callie - Callie was marketed as this not size 2 woman who was hot hot hot - they put her with nice boy George who cheated on her with size 2 Izzie - which really pissed me off - now she's gay?? Why can't she just meet a nice hot guy who likes her for her?? I just don't buy it - if you want to do a lesbian romance fine - just why does it have to be the two strongest women on the show??

Andrew Sun, May 25, 2008 at 12:34 PM EST

Peaches,
I have to agree that some of the writing has been ridiculous. That's why I think some people see Callie-Hahn as a stunt designed to give the show gravitas rather than shoring up all the characters. Once you do this, the show becomes a cartoon and hard to take seriously. If you really think about, based on their behavior none of these people could ever really be doctors. You have to have the courage of your conviction. The ability to both stand firm and think on your feet. Some of the characters are better at this than others, of course.

peaches Sun, May 25, 2008 at 11:47 AM EST

Who are these people who keep yammering on about Grey's Gay Agenda? They're morons that's who they are. The real problem with this show is the LAME writing! People should have been this upset when Izzie saved a dear or when Meredith "died" which were both stupider, in my opinion.
Who cares if the characters are gay as long as their storylines are well-written. Sadly, Rhimes is hell bent on constantly changing the cores of her characters and writing ridiculous stories.

Nick Sun, May 25, 2008 at 11:08 AM EST

The lack of relationship maturity on GA has always bothered me, and now they're doing the Hollywood politically correct thing of shoving the gay thing in our faces. Whether it is two soldiers or two chicks kissing, regardless of what the PC police say, it isn't normal. Ask any biologist - what's normal is pro-survival of the species, and what isn't is contra-survival. That said, people should have the freedom to do as they wish; just don't try to tell me it is normal, and that I should watch it, because it isn't, and I won't. Adios, Gray's Anatomy.

Sun, May 25, 2008 at 09:47 AM EST

And another show throws gay issues in my face. I have a remote and will use it, Sorry GA - you're time has come.

Andrew Sun, May 25, 2008 at 08:32 AM EST

Continued...Like children. When our children are born, we all form ideas of what we would like them to become. As parents know, that doesn't always happen. And, you may never come to peace with that. Because, once a path is taken, it cannot be "unwalked". The majority of the people who are unhappy with the Callie-Hahn storyline fit into this category. In my mind, I know what I want Callie to be. I've seen glimmers of it, here and there. But, it saddens me to watch one of "our children" struggle so much. And, I say our children because these characters belong to all of us now. Just as Romeo and Juliet, Scarlett O'Hara and Darth Vader belong to us. They permeate our culture. No matter how many times we read or watch, we want them to make the right choices, to live up to their potential. To be happy. Some may argue differently and this path may finally be the right one for Callie, but I've watched her since "birth". I only want the best for her.

Andrew Sun, May 25, 2008 at 08:20 AM EST

mdb you said "I am also thrilled to see an adult relationship and not a neurotic needy relationship on GA." You're kidding, right? Hahn and Callie is built on neediness, particularly on the part of Callie. Her character has struggled from the beginning to fit in with everyone else. This relationship is the latest attempt. I lament the lost opportunity to feature a smart, beautiful woman with curves as confident about herself, physically and mentally. And, for the folks who continue to label others, we really need to get away from that. Yes, they are all fictional characters. But, they are reflective of this particular moment in time in our society. The setting isn't really important. The characters are. Some are fully formed. Others are fragments. But, they exist, as all fictional characters do, to give insight and voice to the human condition. We have strong attachments to these characters. We have watched them grow (or not) over the years. They mean something to us.

kim Sun, May 25, 2008 at 12:50 AM EST

okay i get the gay thing, now can a sister get some love, there's definitely a lack of sexy sisters on primetime shows, we want love too!!! now the gays are taking over...this sure is a screwed society we live in.. i like the show, but if it continues down the path it's going i wont watch it anymore...

Bill Sat, May 24, 2008 at 08:49 PM EST

Well, now we know why Callie didn't stay married to George!

And people thought it was HIS fault!

Jodie Sat, May 24, 2008 at 07:27 PM EST

I'm thrilled to see Shonda & the writers take this leap. What ever happened to, "A kiss is just a kiss, a sigh is just a sigh." This is a TV show. People seem to be getting their knickers in a twist. It's a show where all variations of love & sex seem to occur. It was time for two women to kiss. It's been building up all season between Hahn & Callie. Mark was licking his chops for a 3-some. What's wrong with either option? I'm amazed that people in 2008 haven't figured out that sex doesn't just happen between men & women. If you don't like, then change the channel. It's always your option.

Paige T Sat, May 24, 2008 at 07:11 PM EST

Sarah O., what Bible do you read? If you read the same one I do, God believes any sex is sinful unless it is between one man and one woman who are married to each other. If he had changed his mind, I am sure he would have hollered down and told us so. I was just saying, homosexual sex is a sin, but so are a whole heck of a lot of other things. The Bible also says not to add anything to it or take anything away from it. Some people like to omit things to "validate" their beliefs or activities. That would be like me saying I didn't think murder or lying was sinful, when God clearly says they are. "Not passing judgment means not condemning people to Hell." That's God's job because he knows everyone's hearts, minds and souls. I was saying a sin is a sin is a sin.

mdb Sat, May 24, 2008 at 06:35 PM EST

I have just one thing to say to all of you who have an issue with a lesbian relationship on Grey's Anatomy - TURN THE CHANNEL. If you don't like it don't watch it. It is a free country and you have the freedom to turn it off if you don't like what you see. For those of us who are lesbians and want to see a lesbian love story done with respect and in a realistic way (which the L Word is not in any way shape or form) we will continue to watch and support the show.

Thanks Shonda & the whole GA staff and especially ABC for letting the story line go forward.

I am thrilled to see two real women build a relationship based on something other than just sex. I am also thrilled to see an adult relationship and not a neurotic needy relationship on GA.

Bethanne Sat, May 24, 2008 at 06:23 PM EST

Are you people really sitting here debating on whether or not it's ok for 2 FICTIONAL CHARACTERS to be lesbians? GET A LIFE!

Sarah O Sat, May 24, 2008 at 04:35 PM EST

Paige, please don't say "Christians believe this" or "Christians think that" because I am a Christian, and I do NOT believe the same way as you do. In my opinion, denouncing homosexuality as "sinful" doesn't agree with my opinion of the way Christians should think and believe. So please don't paint us as all alike. That said, I do think it's a little stereotypical for Erica to be a lesbian, although it's hard not to root for two such strong characters as Erica and Callie to be happy together, if that's what will make them happy!

Paige T Sat, May 24, 2008 at 04:18 PM EST

I meant how much more messed up my life could be.

Paige T Sat, May 24, 2008 at 04:17 PM EST

BTW, yes, I watch GA, just like a lot of my church family, so......I watch because I like to see how much more my life COULD be, lol. We watch because we got attached to this show and can relate to a lot of the people. We are all flawed, just like the people on GA.

Paige T Sat, May 24, 2008 at 04:10 PM EST

am a sinner, too. To summarize-homosexual sex is sinful, but I sin everyday, too and am no different. Being intolerant against gays and being intorerant against Christians is both wrong. You can love someone and not love what they do. I am a sinner and will sin until I die. We are all God's children and have free will. We all can have a Heavenly home. I am sinner, just like everyone else and no differently than no on else. I hope this made sense. I just wanted to try to portray a different view of Christians=everyone sins, everyone is a child of God, we are commanded to love and forgive each other.

Paige T Sat, May 24, 2008 at 04:06 PM EST

OK, I will probably get yelled at, but here goes-Christians believe not only that having homosexual sex ix a sin, but also premarital sex & adultary. We also believe other things are sinful-drinking excessively, JUDGING others, etc. ALL of us are sinners. Having homosexual sex is a sin, but so is gossiping. God says we are all children, BUT we are all his children and he loves us all. As a Christian, I AM NOT sinless-I should try to sin less. I don't hate gays, I love all people and believe in forgiveness and understanding. I do NOT say anyone is going to hell-God knows everyone's hearts, minds, souls, etc. So, people who "judge" those who say "Yay" to this storyline should not judge those who dislike this storyline. That's having a prejudice against Christians, a group that is quickly becoming being very 'intolerant of.' God loves us all and doesn't wish for anyone to suffer. He also gave us free will. I don't hate homosexuals. I believe homosexual sex is sinful, BUT I am

Hester Sat, May 24, 2008 at 03:59 PM EST

Well Jenn, you won't be missed. That's all I have to say.

Keep Callica alive!:D Love is not about man-woman, man-man, woman-woman. It's just love...

PaulinAustin Sat, May 24, 2008 at 03:19 PM EST

Okay, only one person has said it on this board, but we need to label this couple now, and we need to call them Callica. Who says they have to use the first halves of the names, just because that's what the others have done? Callica rolls off the tongue (oops, no pun intended) much better than Call-Eri or Eri-Call.

jenn Sat, May 24, 2008 at 03:12 PM EST

I won't be watching next year
due to lesbian content!
Hard to NOT find this stuff.
It's even on HGTV!
Our country is going to hell in a handbasket!

Angela Sat, May 24, 2008 at 02:20 PM EST

It's time to stop labeling peoples' sexual orientation. We are sexual beings, period. We fall in love with people, period. The rest is just noise.

Andrew Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:57 PM EST

Let's be clear: Tolerance is a two-way street. I was raised in a multi-cultural urban environment and I'm not a twenty-something. I'm in my early 40s. I think we have to cut some people here some slack. An earlier poster stated that some of views posted here have no place in "today's society". That may well be true, but some of us weren't raised in today's society. I have no dog in this particular fight, but the dirtiest way to win an argument is to call your opponent a bigot or a racist. The Civil Rights Movement of the '60s would have gone nowhere if that was their main tactic. You engage people while remaining respectful of their views. I understand the frustration out there on the part of some because it so obvious to you that you're "right". But, you need to step back and redefine your stand on either side as "right for you". Eventually, society will either catch up to you or regress, depending on your point of view.

writkat Sat, May 24, 2008 at 11:50 AM EST

Oh sorry, I meant t3hdow in that previous comment, not titus.

writkat Sat, May 24, 2008 at 11:49 AM EST

Count me as one of the people who's a fan of this storyline. For once there's a gay television couple that actually has some chemistry. And for those of you who say it's a ratings grab, isn't Grey's Anatomy a soap opera? Why is it a ratings grab when Callie and Erica kiss and not when Derek and Meredith do?

(I see what Titus is trying to say, but I don't agree that there's no harm in saying being gay is a lifestyle choice. When people say that, it's usually to suggest that a gay person doesn't have to be gay, they can choose to be straight if they want to. And most of the time that isn't true.)

t3hdow Sat, May 24, 2008 at 09:31 AM EST

(cont.) Sexuality can't be turned on and off like a light switch, but can be shaped and molded bit by bit. Some female rape victims turn into lesbians from fear of penetration, while some men convert out of rejection from the opposite sex. Disheartening as it is to see negative aspects shape sexuality, I've seen it happen. Also, not all bicurious males/females end up being bisexual or homosexual and even some gays and lesbians could go the reverse route as well. Even though I can side with the lifestyle side of the sexuality argument, it doesn't make gays, lesbians and bisexuals any less human. In fact, with Grey's Anatomy portraying this element through Erica and Callie, that adds to the complexity and diversity that often marks our society and this show. It's not marginalizing to state homo/bisexuality's a lifestyle choice, as I think religion is one as well. That doesn't keep us from disrespecting more pious individuals, so how's this any different?

Tdub Sat, May 24, 2008 at 09:22 AM EST

Do you think Callie will tell Erica to put the lotion in the basket? Hee hee!

I LOVE this story line, and I hope it softens Erica's character a little bit. It's pretty obvious her hard exterior (like Alex) masks an inner pain/insecurity. And I love Sara Ramirez, so anything that gives her more screen time is great by me.

I don't look at it as a gay thing, but a LOVE thing. Hey, and maybe they'll have that threesome with Sloan. :)

t3hdow Sat, May 24, 2008 at 09:15 AM EST

I disagree Titus, to an extent. From the psychological case reports I read and various homo/bisexuals I conversed with, I think its a mix of both choice and ingrown trait. A person's sexual orientation, contrary to what some believe, is never constant. It can be influenced by personal experiences and the environment around them, like any other aspect of our lives. Sure, a fair percentage of gays/lesbians that always embraced their sexuality exist. However, to deny the inconsistent nature of sexual orientation is like saying bicuriosity doesn't exist, which isn't true. Plenty of women who classify themselves as straight (even married ones) even question their own attraction to other women and a few act upon it through sexual experimentation. It's the same for some bisexual men, but the affliction that comes with it discourages male same sex attraction. I can attest to this, as I consider myself bicurious as well and a few key events of my life most likely unearthed it.

Charley Sat, May 24, 2008 at 08:56 AM EST

I love the fact so many people are saying they're making callie 'gay'. They're not. She's been with men all her life and now someones come into her life who she's fallen for, it just happens to be a women and you can see for the past few episodes that she's struggled with her feelings because she's only ever been attracted to men but in the finale she finally realised what and who she wanted as did Mark which is why he told her to go after Hahn. So the writers havn't made callie gay they've just shown what can happen, and what does happen, to so many people. Why does this story have to back her into a corner? Why can't it be the story that takes her character to a new level and maybe through it we can learn more about Callie. It really makes me laugh how some people can be so narrow minded and immediately be so disgusted by two women kissing that they're refusing to watch the show. Grow up and go retrieve all the toys that you're throwing out your pram.

Titus77 Sat, May 24, 2008 at 08:16 AM EST

I like the pairing, a lot. I've never cared for Callie, but she seems a good fit with Erica. Maybe Hahn will turn Torres into a likeable character! I think it's sad that individuals still choose to believe that being gay is a 'lifestyle' choice. It isn't. Some people in this world are gay, just like some have green eyes or are left-handed. Get the f*** over it.

Effie Sat, May 24, 2008 at 05:09 AM EST

I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Callie/Erica pairing and really hope Shonda Rhimes takes this in a great direction next season. I want to see a real relationship develop.
As a lesbian, let me tell you, that kiss was HOT and very believeable. They need some on-call room time. NOW!

rumple Sat, May 24, 2008 at 02:12 AM EST

What on earth is wrong with some of you people? Another stereotypical choice, not another lesbian - these comments are so backward in today's society. The choice of Hahn and Callie together, is fantastic. Why shouldn't a beautiful, strong and powerful woman be presented as a lesbian. Why choose a weak, powerless, crazy ava choice? This storyline rocks and the chemistry between them is undeniable- Rhimes knows it and I certainly can see it.

t3hdow Sat, May 24, 2008 at 01:27 AM EST

I think some of you are unfairly attacking Barb. Not agreeing with a lifestyle isn't synonymous with hating it or disrespecting the people following it. You can still respect people that follow different ways of life without slandering them. There are many different religions in the world that I don't believe in, but I still treat their followers fairly without ridicule or scorn. What needs to be understood is the big difference between feeling apathetic or spiteful towards how people choose to live. Even if you don't care how some people live their lives, respectable individuals would not think lowly of their life choices and treat them as equal beings. Whether you personally believe that being gay is a choice, a birth trait or some spectrum in between is up to you, but not agreeing with the path some people take in life doesn't automatically qualify as hateful bigotry. I'm sure this is what barb tried to say.

LC Sat, May 24, 2008 at 01:15 AM EST

No, no, say it ain't so! Callie and Erica! I love Callie and want her to be with Mark. I hate Erica and want her off the show! I've never liked her character. She's mean and surly and not even that attractive and I can't imagine what Callie would see in her. This matchup looks to me as though the writers were in a hurry to finish up the season and have now left us with another disastrous relationship like the Izzie/George hookup! If a gay character is absolutely needed on the show, how about allowing George to come out and introduce some new young intern for him to hook up with. And while they are at it, maybe they could please make George a little less whiny and irritating! He is my least favorite character already, and the writers have done him no favors this season. He's tortured about every other female relationship in his life and none have worked out, so why not let him be himself! Just please don't fix up Callie and Erica! That does look like a ratings ploy!

Sina Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:14 AM EST

I don't understand why the writers had to "jump shark" and have Hahn and Callie be gay. Callie and Sloan were so sexy! It is nice to see a man on tv be with a regular (though sexy) woman. And Hahn is a powerful, strong woman. Why did they have to make her gay. I find nothing wrong with a gay character being portrayed on tv but don't do it just to jump ratings. It would be nice if they bought on a gay character like if one of Derek's sisters decided to come to Seattle and she was gay and had a crush on Callie or Hahn.

to Barb Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:25 PM EST

Get off your self-righteous and hateful high horse. People are people. You are opposed to the gay life style? There are plenty of straights out there that lead questionable life styles, too. Go beyond the stereotypes and dig deeper. All of us are connected whether you like it or not. You obviously fear what you do not know. Open your tiny mind.

Blue4U1980 Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:12 PM EST

"Tolerance" and "Acceptance" ... two words that are thrown about a lot these days ... yet people seem to forget that they, in fact, do not mean the same thing. I also think that people get race and culture confused.

But I digress ...

Whether you believe people are "born" gay, or whether you believe it is a "choice" due to "years of psychological conditioning" and a "sin" is irrelevant. At the end of the day, they are people, they are humans, as we all are.

Here is what I have come to understand about people. Once they've made up their minds about something there is no use arguing with them, True open and honest communication cannot happen unless both parties involved are at least willing to concede to the idea that they, in fact, might be wrong or at the very least be willing to consider the opposing view.

When was that last time any of us truly showed compassion and actually made an effort to get past the surface and try and connect with our fellow man on a deeper level?

khalkis Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:39 PM EST

@Barb

Well, you aren't shutting up so clearly it isn't working. No, it is exactly like hating on black people or Jewish people, because you aren't disrespecting their "views", you're disrespecting who they are. You're acting like you're all persecuted, when they're the ones who get beaten up - and, yeah, sometimes killed. Remember Matthew Shepard? This is just a TV show, but hate is real life.

Danica Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:33 PM EST

Barb, the inconsistency here falls in the fact that you see it as a lifestyle choice when it's often not (in spite of TV flipping character's sexualities at will). Saying that you dislike them as people is exactly the same as disliking "the lifestyle" because loving someone is one of the most fundamental aspects of human existence...

We all need to take a note from Sara Ramirez and much of the cast and check out their GLAAD advert! http://youtube.com/watch?v=Juf6c8jWlvs

Back on topic... YAY CALLICA!

Barb Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:23 PM EST

I didn't say I didn't like them as people. It is totally different than saying I don't like blacks or Jews. I said I did not agree with their lifestyle. So this tolerance thing only works one way then right? I have to tolerate their views but they don't have to tolerate mine. And I guess that diversity means keep your mouth shut if you don't agree with the popular view. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Jared Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:13 PM EST

I hope the relationship stays strong and they become the #1 couple on the show. Callie & Hahn are 2 great characters and together they are unstopable in that hospital!

Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:01 PM EST

In response to Barb...

It's no different than saying "I don't like black people." It's no different than saying "I don't like Jews." It's no different than saying "I don't like women" et cetera.

You have every right to express every one of those opinions, but don't expect not to have things thrown at you.

Barb Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:51 PM EST

Would someone please tell my why it is not ok to even mention the fact that you do not agree with the gay lifestyle, but it is ok for someone that does agree with it to call you a bigot, homophobe, all around bad person, blah, blah, blah?? Don't we have the right to express our opinions too?

Kiki Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:33 PM EST

What is with this "another lesbian couple" thing that keeps popping up? Gay people exist and, I'm sorry, but we are EVERYWHERE lurking among heterosexual society looking just as sexy as Sara Ramirez, functioning as, believe it or not, doctors and other productive members of society (yes, I was the beautiful pediatric surgery resident who stitched up your child)... Eh, fine, I suppose I'll concede that no one is as sexy as Sara Ramirez, but still. Good for Grey's!

juj Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:16 PM EST

Do we need another lesbian couple???
It's a horrible idea.
Sexy Tores is NOT a lesbian...
one again, gay hollywood wins

Jenny Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:15 PM EST

I totally dig the lesbian storyline. Good for Grey's and too bad for some close minded viewers.

maribel Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:08 PM EST

I'm sad about the pairing because I wanted Mark and Callie together, they have so much chemistry. Grey lost a whole potential storyline there because Mark is looking to clean up and Callie is dealing with the sadness of her divorce. It would have been a great story to explore those 2 characters. I think Hahn could have been used to help the two grow....If they stick with the whole lesbian thing, I hope they do it right. I also hope it aint for rating.

Kammie Fri, May 23, 2008 at 08:51 PM EST

I am totally loving this. This storyline certainly has the potential for greatness as long as they don't trip into the pitfalls of stereotyping the characters or dragging on any "am I gay, am I straight, I'm so confused" nonsense. I'm hoping to see a couple with a dynamic like any other witout focusing on the fact that *shock* it's two women.

Oh, and for the record, Callie's "coming out" was not entirely out of the blue at all... In fact, it was eerily dead on to at least one story I know of...

Megan Kelly Fri, May 23, 2008 at 08:18 PM EST

The reason this relationship surprised me is because I thought it was going to be Hahn & YANG getting together. I thought Hahn was lesbian, but maybe endured prejudice at her last job, so she was so hateful to Yang because she was attracted to her. They didn't let Callie's storyline "finish"-her divorce with George, her flings with Mark. Actually I wanted to see Callie/Mark because of the stereotype of "gorgeous men" only wanting "skinny women." Sara Ramirez is gorgeous (like everyone else on this show.)

Something to Think About Fri, May 23, 2008 at 07:08 PM EST

I'm noticing a trend on this board as well as the main "Grey's" board that concerns me. This is the freehanded use of the term "bigot". For example, Greg says the poster who won't watch anymore because they don't want to see girls kiss because it's "gross", is a bigot. This is a great trivializtion of the word. Not only do I not think this is (by itself) bigotry, I also don't think holding the belief that homosexual behavior is immoral and making the personal choice to abstain from it yourself is, by itself, bigotry. I think bigotry occurs when you take this belief and convince yourself that you are superior to others who don't share it, when you perpetrate hate crimes or hate language against such people, or when you endeavor to deny these people any civil rights which you yourself enjoy. Let's save the word for the big stuff. Homoerotic images are not common in our society. It's going to take people some time to become desensitized,and some may still not want to watch. So what?

Fri, May 23, 2008 at 06:47 PM EST

The more exposure to any minority subject, the more tolerance! Thank you Grey's for opening up much needed dialogue about what it means to struggle with your sexuality. At the end of the day, people are all inherently the same! We all only want/need 3 things...to be accepted, to be validated, to be loved! I truly hope that Callie is able to find all of those with Erica! Together, they make such a dynamic and intrigung couple...truly capable of shifting labels and sterotypes. Erica's exterior...which is all we've really seen...comes off as intense and sometimes severe. Callie is the perfect character to break down those barriers and give her the security she needs to be vulnerable! We should all be so lucky! ;)

Greg Fri, May 23, 2008 at 05:46 PM EST

To the person that posted below me at 5:30 -
I stopped watching Grey's Anatomy about 2 years ago because it got so freaking repetitive. But I find it sad that you aren't going to watch a show just because there are gay characters on it. Have you ever heard of a little thing called tolerance? I hope that in the future you figure out that you are an obvious bigot.

Melissa Fri, May 23, 2008 at 05:45 PM EST

Aww. I love this pair already. Brooke Smith did an interview lately where she was asked how she would feel if her character were to take on this controversial role. Her reply was great. (paraphrasing of course) She answered: Is it controversial? It's 2008, come on.
Implying...Who cares! Gay, Lesbian, Bisexuals. It's real, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Grey's has always been really great about making these characters Real and relatable. Why should this change?

sarah Fri, May 23, 2008 at 05:38 PM EST

you're all missing the point- Dr. Burke got axed for his gay comments. ABC is just rubbing his nose in it. The week before the gay patient and his gay lover soldier kissed, it's not at all about a story, it's about ABC which is totally owned by gay activists and their agenda. Too bad I just hate propaganda.

Fri, May 23, 2008 at 05:30 PM EST

I have been a really big "Grey's" fan, but that ended with the season finale. Come on, we could have done without the lesbian thing. I am not watching a show that has two women kissing. That's disgusting.

Fri, May 23, 2008 at 05:22 PM EST

I guess maybe I'm a little naive, but it never occurred to me that people would get so upset over something that I considered pure entertainment.
I'm not sure I understand where a lot of people are coming from. People are swearing off the show because the bible says that homosexuality is wrong etc. etc.- I'm sorry, but what show have YOU been watching that abides by the Bible or a wholesome Christian lifestyle? GA is rampant with adultery (I think the only married couple that has been monogamous is Bailey and her husband), premarital sex, promiscuity, attempted suicide, alcohol abuse.... the list goes on (and includes Joe, the gay bartender, who adopted twins with his boyfriend).
But apparently THIS story line is the one that is going to get God fuming... Seriously?
Grey's job is to entertain, and I think the fact that the season finale has caused so much chatter proves that it's doing one hell of a good job. Kudos!

Autumn Fri, May 23, 2008 at 05:09 PM EST

I think that it would be great if Callie came out as a bisexual, but only if she's portrayed realistically, as a bisexual dealing with homosexual feelings that she hasn't allowed herself to recognize yet. Too often bisexuals are portrayed as sluts or as people who are just "experimenting." It would be nice if the show chose to allow her character to pursue both men and women in actual relationships (not just one night stands).
It would be ridiculous to suddenly make her a lesbian, however, because she clearly is into guys as well.

fredric Fri, May 23, 2008 at 04:57 PM EST

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. However, any time you introduce a gay storyline, it's a tightrope. You not only risk offending straight viewers with prejudice, but you also risk losing gay fans if it's not done to their liking as well. (Which is why so many major network shows go down the gays are saints path. Thank goodness for cable to show true diversity - hopefully ABC can catch up!)

hemkit Fri, May 23, 2008 at 04:20 PM EST

Allison, your comment makes me cringe. Only women who are 5'2", 105 lbs, with cartoon voices deserve a romance, gay or straight? I think you were trying to make a point, but, seriously...

Leigh Fri, May 23, 2008 at 04:02 PM EST

To Andrew: And for the record with me, I didn't think you were being homophobic or bigoted in your reply. Now, Tina on the other hand... But, I get what you're concern is regarding this storyling, that it will sideline an otherwise strong character in Callie whose potential has yet to be fully tapped. To that I reply, let's wait to see how things play out. Yes, history is on your side of the debate; too many shows have trotted out the gay storyline with (occasionally) good intentions only to drop it like a hot potato after a few shows because they don't know how to treat gays & lesbians like straight folks. Which is a shame and a waste of opportunities. What I'm saying is, let's wait to see if what Shonda & Co. actually do before decrying the Callie/Erica pairing. Who knows? They might actually surprise us and let them be as messed up as the heterosexuals on this show with just as much quality screentime. One can always hope.

Andrew Fri, May 23, 2008 at 03:54 PM EST

I just want to clarify a few things: I think it's fair to say that some (very few) people will choose to boycott the show due to the Callie/Hahn storyline. Intolerant? Yes, no question. But, as a writer and a fan of the show (especially Sara R., the most beautiful woman on the show, if not the planet!), I think I should be allowed to discuss the pros and cons of Callie's new direction without being labelled as anti-gay or intolerant. A few years ago, an art critic forwarded the idea of "compassion fatigue". The premise was that certain topics due to our shared (for the most part) values are off-limits for criticism, even if it's tangential to the art. I think some of that is at play here. Someone earlier made a good point about the tendency of lazy writers to take two socially awkward women and throw them together as a couple. Then they put them in the toybox only to be pulled out as tokens. To me, this storyline is just sheer laziness.

Amanda Fri, May 23, 2008 at 03:30 PM EST

Trust me! It IS possible for someone to have been with men their whole life and then meet and fall for a woman. Like people have said, eveyone's different.

Taty Fri, May 23, 2008 at 03:25 PM EST

To people that say she can't be gay because of being with men for a while. It's different for everyone. I love the story line and I hope it continues. It's great to have the diversity. Keep it up!

Shaun Fri, May 23, 2008 at 03:16 PM EST

I am a long-time fan of Grey's Anatomy, EW and GLBT friendly programming. I have to say that I saddened and greatly disturbed by the amount of intolerance and flat out bigotry shown in some of these comments about two fictional characters. People are different, thank God. Different people deserve to love and be loved. Get over it. As for the show; superb acting and writing. Bravo to the cast, crew and Ms. Rhimes.

Sydney Fri, May 23, 2008 at 03:15 PM EST

I love this pairing. I do. Callie is a great choice to represent bisexual women, and Hann, who knows if she is bi or lesbian. Does it matter? These two have great chemistry and I LOVE the fact that both of them have curves and look like real women, not the usual stick figures that we see macking it on other shows. This storyline got me watching GA and I actually like the show as a whole, so I cannot wait to see where they take Callie and Hann.

Adlai Stevenseom Fri, May 23, 2008 at 03:10 PM EST

There are plenty of overly thin women on The L Word. There's representation for everyone.

Allison Fri, May 23, 2008 at 03:07 PM EST

Why is it that the heavy women are the lesbians? There's a million skinny chicks on the show, but they make the two fat ones (Baile is married with kids, so she doesn't count) are the ones who hate men. No, this show doesn't stereotype...

Suzy Fri, May 23, 2008 at 02:43 PM EST

Not opposed to the L storyline but it is a bit silly seeing as we have watched Callie enjoy many pleasures with men without a glimmer of "I wish you were a chick" -- I would rather have seen and found it more believable had they made her Bi-Sexual. That would make sense.. but to go from sleeping with a man in the afternoon to planting a wet one on a chick was a Hooray for Hollywood moment. My opinion.

Rasha Fri, May 23, 2008 at 02:22 PM EST

To Lyn,
I'm not reading it as diversity. I'm reading it as a way to, like Andrew said, paint Sara Ramimez into a corner. Sara is the most gorgeous person on the show and her character really hasn't been explored that much, but I feel like the writers made her gay because they didn't know what else to do with her. I also feel similarly about Hahn...isn't steretypically pretty and bitchy, she must be a lesbian!

I also agree with Andrew on the fact that gay characters on network shows are used to have the hot-button issue of a gay character, but they're never allowed to actually engage in real relationships. They're product of hate crimes, just got out of a brutal relationship that we never saw and can't possibly date again (i.e, first 4 seasons of Will and Grace) or they just sleep around in love scenes we never see. I'm so over the gay couple who hugs at moments when real couples would kiss. I have my reservations, but we'll see how it goes. We don't have a choice.

Alicia Fri, May 23, 2008 at 02:19 PM EST

Love Callie and Erica!!! Go Grey's and ABC for making gay a little bit more mainstream! This show is fantastic! I can't wait to see these two develop as a couple :) Yipppeee!!

Sara Fri, May 23, 2008 at 02:18 PM EST

I'm just glad Callie is not with Sloan. I want Sloan to come into his own and have breakthroughs and funny moments withOUT having to be in a girl's pants!! So bring on Dr. Hahn for all I care.

Leigh Fri, May 23, 2008 at 02:18 PM EST

I find it fascintating that any viewer of GREY'S ANATOMY would quit watching over the lesbian storyline for moral purposes but have no qualms with the adultery, lying, unkindness, etc. that have made up the past four seasons of this show. If any GA viewer is imposing some sort of moral litmus test for watching then you should have switched channels from the get go.

Kay Fri, May 23, 2008 at 02:13 PM EST

okay, i have a few things to say. One, of course what happened last night was pretty obvious, they didnt have that much time to develop stuff that would be less obvious do to the shortness of time thanks to the writers strike. Two, they did not do this to get ratings. they do not need more ratings, they have always been good with ratings. they wanted to appeal to more people with the gay relationship. Three, those of you who are going to stop watching a tv show because there are gay people on it really need to grow up. You are pathetic for that. Gay people are a part of society, so why cant they be part of television??? Also, if you will stop watching it because of something so stupid as that then you werent true fans to begin with.

Leigh Fri, May 23, 2008 at 01:58 PM EST

To Andrew: I get your point about not wanting this new storyline to "ghettoize" the Callie character because the producers/executives are afraid to write/show a lesbian couple in the same fashion as the heterosexual characters. I think that would be a shame and I'm right alongside you for not wanting this to happen, either. But it doesn't *have* to be a "dead end" for Callie or Erica. The writers *don't* have to relegate her to the backstory next season; there are a myriad of possible storylines for this pairing and, even more important, for Callie and Erica respectively as this SL *can* be used to delve deeper into their psyche/backstories/feelings (though, I pray for not too much "lesbian processing". Uhg!). Right now no one knows which direction this SL will be going, not the viewers, the actors playing the characters or even the writers/producers themselves. All we can do is speculate and hope for the best.

femmtastik Fri, May 23, 2008 at 01:57 PM EST

i love love love this storyline. not sure what's up with all those people who say they'll stop watching - it's okay for lots of heterosexual promiscuity, but one lesbian kiss and that's it? Weird. Anyway, I know lots of people who will start watching now!

Rose Fri, May 23, 2008 at 01:54 PM EST

Callie/Hahn--SERIOUSLY??

If that and the Chief's cmoments are a premise to get rid of Hahn (sooner than later), then I say, "go for it."

Tina Fri, May 23, 2008 at 01:27 PM EST

I think it's a disgrace that the writers felt they had to bring gay characters into Grey's. I am done! I won't watch it anymore. You had a good thing going until this. Ciao!

Erika Fri, May 23, 2008 at 01:27 PM EST

I think for all of the people with negative reactions to the lesbian storyline - you need to wait and see. Boycotting a show because of one storyline that hasn't even really begun yet is stupid. Why not have an open mind, see where the story goes and then make your decision an informed one?

LA to LV Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:59 PM EST

I think gay storylines are fine and interesting - but it just disappoints me (as referenced in the article) that a strong woman who has some social fears would naturally have to be a lesbian. It is a stereotype and I'm surprised at Rhimes for reinforcing when she's usually into busting images (like Bailey as a sci fi fan - love it!). I liked Callie/Hahn as a fierce and intense friendship - why does it need to turn into something else?

tee hee hee Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:59 PM EST

I have no problem with homosexual relationships on TV or in real life, but for some reason this foray into teh sapphic realm for Callie and Erica doesn't seem to fit. Maybe it'll be something they'll explore and give it a try, but something tells me they'll be better off as friends.

Rach Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:55 PM EST

"Does every show have to have to have a homosexual couple?" Really? I think you'd be hard pressed to find even a handful of shows on network television that DO have a homosexual couple. If any. Anyone? Help. Let's name them.

brannon Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:45 PM EST

This board is so sad! What is wrong with all you people? Homophobic people are some of societies scariest people.

That being said - best episode ever for a million reasons! (And I do agree with those of you who think Sara could turn ANYONE on! - Man or woman! HOT!)

jes Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:38 PM EST

To Lilian...there are alot of degrees of sexuality between being completely straight or being completely gay. I don't think it's a stretch at all that Callie would, at whatever time in her life, find herself attracted to a woman. I just don't think she had opened herself up to the possibility before.

former fan Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:35 PM EST

I was big fan of the show until they introduced the lesiban scene. Does every show have to have a homosexual couple on it. I stopped watching ER for the same reasons. I don't think I will continue to watch the show after last night

Pam Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:34 PM EST

I was also disappointed with the Callie/Dr. Hahn story. We never really saw Callie deal with losing George nor see her ask herself what happened and how she got to this point in her life. In fact, I don't think her character has been developed well at all. Where are Callie's friends? We all know she isn't friends with any of the original gang of interns but I'm sure she hasn't gotten through life without at least one best friend she talks to about everything. The writing is very lazy regarding this character.

Jill Fri, May 23, 2008 at 12:10 PM EST

"Sara Ramirez is not a bad choice. She's pretty hot!" says Smith. "Why not? I'm game."

Brooke Smith rocks for saying this. I think the storyline has a lot of potential and the two ladies play off each other very well. We'll see.

cha Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:57 AM EST

can't they think of anything else? this show is getting boring...pretty soon they'll run out of material for the show

Cicidee Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:53 AM EST

I'm really not feeling the Erica/Callie match up. Most of it stems from the fact that I really cannot stand the Erica Hahn character. So while I can understand their friendship because they are professional colleagues, I cannot fathom Callie's attraction to her. Maybe if the strike hadn't happened and there were some episodes where Erica introduced Callie to her girlfriend. The audience could see Erica through someone's else eyes in a romantic light outside of the hospital then maybe I'd be a little more open to the pairing. As it stands it just seems like a ratings ploy and something to keep their characters busy. There is no real chemistry now Mark and Callie have real spark. I'll keep watching because I do find this medical soap enjoyable and like most soaps there are always storylines that you just hate but learn to live with.

Andrew Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:45 AM EST

To TMB,
All I have to do is point to the track record of other shows that have gone in this direction. It never leads anywhere. I am not objecting to the presence of a gay character or gay couples. I'm objecting to the use of Callie in this way because the writers are too lazy to do anything else with her. I like larger women and I love it when they are major characters on a TV show, but the writers always screw it up, like with the bartender on "October Road". They never gave Callie a chance to develop fully. If this character turn is an attempt to do just that and it is done well, good. But, if not, that means I will see less and less of Sara Ramirez on-screen. So, basically, I object for purely selfish reasons. Sara is for me, THE eye-candy on that show.

Erin Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM EST

I'm pretty concerned that the direction this will take is most likely that Hahn is probably a full-fledged lesbian, whereas Callie is "experimenting". I suppose it's possible that a relationship with Hahn could cement for Callie an attraction to women, but it seems unlikely to me. I think she's drawn to Hahn and the chemistry is there, but I don't see it lasting from Callie's end.

Scott Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM EST

This is another stupid move by a show now infamous for making them. My problem with any gender-based and/or minority storylines are this, are they willing to expand them beyond their confines? Will they allow break-ups, make-ups, or bring in other love interests for these characters once the initial storyline runs its course? Typically it isn't done. When it is we get stuff like this. I also have to say how offended I am that Sara Ramirez is caught up in this nonsense. Hasn't the character she plays been through enough garbage?

TMB Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:28 AM EST

To Andrew- why is adding a gay couple 'a dead end'? It's only a dead end if the writer's play it safe so as not to offend, just as you pointed out with earlier portrayals of blacks on TV, and with Dr. Weaver on ER. That doesn't mean a show shouldn't attempt the storyline, it just means they need to show them as flawed human beings.
Saying 'it's been done' is a very odd statement, as if hetero pairings haven't? Gay couples, like interracial couples, are not a fad that can be played out.

Andrew Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:15 AM EST

As with ER, it seems that making the characters gay, is an attempt to build up two characters that were poorly constructed from the start. Weaver on ER never knew who she was as a doctor or as a person. Her entire "life" was a search for the answer to the question, "Who is Kerry Weaver?". Making her gay failed to answer that question for me because then her flaws as a person were overshadowed by the discrimination she faced as a gay woman.

to Andrew Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:13 AM EST

I am a former viewer of ER..the show's writing "quality" really went downhill a few years ago -and some new characters were introduced who were just boring. That is why I stopped watching ER ....In my opinion , Grey's is a far superior show ...that makes me laugh and cry - each and every week.

to Jess Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:07 AM EST

Your comment pretty much said it all.
This show is all about diversity and this new storyline , should make the show - even mORE diverse. My concern is that this will go the way of the gay neighbor couple on Desperate housewives last season - where they were introduced , in just a couple of episodes - and then whoosh ! they disappeared until the season finale , and viewers said WTF ! Callie deserves a great storyline , and I hope that ABC is not pressured to shy away from the lesbian couple thing. I would also like to see Christina Yang - be involved in a NEW relationship next season - it's been a year since Doctor Burke left her - time to move on...Dr. Yang is my favorite character on the show - btw

Andrew Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:07 AM EST

Continued...not because they're gay, but because it's a creative dead end. Especially, if the possibility of changing their direction exists if the storyline is not well-received. Remember, the character of Dr. Weaver on ER eventually withered away from lack of interest. Because it didn't seem real. Sure, the writers explored issues that face gay couples, but soon they killed off her partner and her part in the show diminished.

Rasha Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM EST

I'm still over this storyline already. It's a bit predictable and overdone.

Andrew Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:00 AM EST

Leigh,
You almost make my point for me. Do you recall another medical show where another character was abrasive to her staff, but became almost saintly once she came out? I know I do. ER, anyone? I don't think calling people homophobes is constructive dialogue. Some people just do not agree with the direction of the characters.

lilian Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:50 AM EST

I think no one turns gay overnight, that's the problem. Isn't this the same Callie that moped over George for over a season? (counting previous year as well). If they wanted gay characters, that would be great, but bring realistic gay characters and not a random pairing because it would look hot or daring. They will soon get over their "romance" and Callie will return to men - which I find humiliating for how gay people are portrayed on TV

Leigh Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:41 AM EST

To Andrew: I hardly think anyone would call Erica Hahn "perfect", particularly after her harsh treatment of Christine, so your concern regarding this development seems unwarranted. That said, Callie's pretty damn awesome but she's been that way since day one.

Leigh Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM EST

for every homophobe who hates this pairing (and judging from the comments both here and at TV Guide's board, it's blatant homophobia, *not* just disliking the duo based on other factors) I guarantee that there will be an equal if not greater number of new viewers drawn by the added diversity of such a much-needed storyline. As someone else said, GREY'S has always been about diversity and having a lesbian storyline between main cast characters is just another bit of diversity. Frankly, it's surprising that it's taken 4 seasons before introducing a gay/lesbian character or SL to the forefront but I'm glad they've finally done so. Callie and Erica have a bounty of potential and I *very* much look forward to seeing them develop next season. I just hope that neither Shonda or the ABC execs give into the hate mail and abandon this storyline prematurely as a result or relegate it to having Callie and Erica be rarely seen or treated like platonic friends instead of lovers.

SBL Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:37 AM EST

Alex is not in love with Izzie again, he was turning to her in a moment he needed support!!

Hannah Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:27 AM EST

Lame attempt to be 'controversial' & gain some press coverage in a season that has been widely slated & ratings down 25% on last year.

Andrew Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:16 AM EST

I'm not one of the boycotters, but let me say that what tends to happen with gay characters on shows is that they are the most perfect people. Most of the conflict is generated from outside the relationship rather than from within. So, the course of the storyline is predictable. This is what used to happen with black characters on TV in the early days. Remember "Julia" with Diahann Carroll in the late '60s? In any case, I will be interested to see what happens on Grey's, but I still want to see Callie "go black"!

Lyn Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:01 AM EST

To the boycotters. Are you truly saying that Grey's Anatomy, the obvious bastion of puritanical values, has pushed the envelope?
There is nothing amiss with bisexuality from either of the characters. One is hypersexual (she is a doc at Seattle Grace), the other lonely (and is a doc at Seattle Grace). It doesn't even seem like late-onset lesbianism, only bisexuality or bicuriosity. Thanks GA for bringing in even more diversity. I truly appreciate it.

Jess Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:46 AM EST

I loved the kiss last night! I think Erica and Callie have great chemistry. I also love that Grey's is helping to bring relationships of ALL kinds (mixed race, heterosexual, homosexual, the whole thing) into prime time. Way to go, Greys! Can't wait 'til next season :)!

Kelly Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:42 AM EST

Ex Grey's Fan: Why do you see this as a ratings grab? And why do you consider adding a gay relationship to the show stooping low? Why can't it just be a new storyline for the two characters? Would you consider a new unexpected pairing of any kind stooping low and a ratings grab? Or are your negative attitudes on homosexuality colouring your perception of what is a perfectly normal new development on a show about personal relationships?

Cait Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:40 AM EST

Oh Shonda. Thank you for saying you are going to write them like any other couple. And for everyone who says that Erica maybe being gay because she's strong, powerful woman is stereotypical, that's pretty ridiculous. Otherwise Bailey would be shooting rainbows out of her pores.

Kelly Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:35 AM EST

Not entirely a surprise as they've been building towards it the last 5 episodes or so but it is a surprise when you look at Callie's character since she's been on the show. She was married to George for pete's sake. I seriously doubt that anyone saw this coming prior to this season. Anyhow, I love it! I think that if the writers stay with this (an not make it a "phase" like Rach said) it could be a wonderful love story. The characters are such great friends and seem to get along great so hopefully this will be a long term, normal, healthy, happy relationship!

Lynny Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:34 AM EST

I saw this coming weeks ago. blah blah blah. The direction seemed sort of obvious to me.

Ex-Grey's Fan Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:27 AM EST

Why do TV shows have to bring in gayness to get ratings? This show has now sucked b/c it has to stoop that low to get ratings. Pathetic!

Lindsay Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:24 AM EST

I'm personally disappointed in the Callie/Hahn relationship. It is entirely too stereotypical for those characters and it's really not a surprise. I'm all for the shock value of the unexpected relationships but this one was seen coming for a while. I wish the writers could drop this relationship and become more creative with those characters. I love the show and I LOVE that Meredith and Derek are back together and the whole Izzie and Alex thing is awesome! I always loved them together and knew he was secretly still in love with her. But if they focus on Callie/Hahn too much or drag that relationship on, I'm going to loose interest pretty quickly. I want to see those characters do something more...something completely unexpected. But who knows, maybe Hahn isn’t gay and totally rejects Callie. I guess we will just have to see next season.

Rach Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:16 AM EST

Why would having gay characters necessarily be considered a grasp at ratings? Grey's has always had one of the most diversified casts on tv, racially speaking. To me, having gay "regulars" seems like a natural. Having said that, please PLEASE, Shonda...don't let this be a "phase" for Callie.

Craig Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:15 AM EST

I think it's wonderful that everyone thinks of a lesbian woman being "strong and powerful" that's a great stereotype!! Finally we have a gay character on Grey's!!

Jackie Fri, May 23, 2008 at 09:08 AM EST

I'm very disappointed with the direction the show is taking with Callie and Dr. Hahn. I guess I won't be watching the show next fall and others I've discussed this with won't either.

susan Fri, May 23, 2008 at 08:32 AM EST

no surprise. lame attempt to garner better ratings.

Andrew Fri, May 23, 2008 at 08:20 AM EST

I'm a little disappointed with the direction the character of Callie has taken. She is the most beautiful woman on the show. And, the kiss was hot. But, I would watch Sara Ramirez kiss a lamp post! She's a strong woman with curves and it seems the writers never really knew what to do with her to flesh her character out. My preference would have been to see her in an interracial relationship that actually worked. ER tried and chickened out with Eriq LaSalle and Alex Kingston. C'mon, Grey's Writers! Give us a little swirl!

Cat Fri, May 23, 2008 at 08:11 AM EST

Why make a sterotypical choice of a stong woman having to be gay? And finally a great looking man like McSteamy having a relationship with a "normal" looking, non stick thin person and they make her gay. Really.

brit Fri, May 23, 2008 at 08:02 AM EST

i think Cal-Eri works better.

Sandy Fri, May 23, 2008 at 07:58 AM EST

I couldn't agree more, Kathy. Sara is amazingly sexy!! Now if they'd just find some reason for Callie to sing on the show...holy moly!

jes Fri, May 23, 2008 at 07:47 AM EST

Love. Love. LOVE Callie and Erica! Way to go, Grey's.

Kathy Fri, May 23, 2008 at 07:47 AM EST

I'm a happily married woman, but if I was going to go gay, Sara Ramirez would definitely be my choice of woman!! Yowza, she's hot!!

Ar Fri, May 23, 2008 at 07:17 AM EST

Indeed I find it obvious that a strong, powerful woman has to be a lesbian. I am all for having some diversity on the show but I think it was not a surprise at all.

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