WGA upset with Jay Leno for writing his own jokes

gerry Wed, Jan 23, 2008 at 02:26 AM EST

I hope that everyone gets what they want, and we can get back to some good programing. I miss my shows!!

seag Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 02:59 AM EST

Going on strike is not easy! I don't think anyone would risk losing their jobs, homes, etc., unless they were being treated unfairly. This is about more than a five minute monologue! Over his career jay has stabbed so many in the back, so this doesn't suprise me!

seag Tue, Jan 22, 2008 at 02:31 AM EST

Going on strike is not a easy! I don't think anyone would risk losing their jobs, homes, etc. if they were being treated fairly. Jay Lenno is a back stabber! This is about paying the people their due, not a stupid monologue!!

Peeved at Writers Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 08:20 PM EST

Some writers' union goons showed up at my house and broke my kid's crayons for writing his own jokes. This is going too far!

Sprite Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 11:50 PM EST

This evening I found myself watching a bit of Leno and I can't remember a flatter show than the one I saw tonight. Many may disagree with me, as I see some of you believe that the show has been improved with the more 'stand-up' quality in Leno's act since he lost his writers. I will admit that there have been times where I could take or leave the show, but I see this as a situation where writers enhance what is otherwise dull. I hope that this strike is resolved soon so that the next glimpse of the Leno show I watch won't seem quite as painful as what I saw tonight.

Steve Wed, Jan 16, 2008 at 10:22 AM EST

Labor unions, like the WGA, are on the verge of total extinction. It's just like the UAW workers demanding more pay for a potential automotive technology windfall. Only when the unions will accept partial (or no) pay for lean years should they consider concessions for expanding markets. Owners are owners; when the writers reach that level of industry importance, then they can partake in the rewards. If you don't like your job, go work somewhere else. If you want to 'earn' the benefits of being a producer...stick your neck out and produce. Unions are dinosaurs.

Michele Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 07:44 PM EST

There are 3 reasons I do not support this lengthy strike. 1. They are wanting to strong-arm writers and producers and studios to use only members of the WGA. So, if a writer does NOT want to pay WGA for their "protection" (sounds like a common gang crime to me, forcing businesses to pay a fee for protection) then that writer CANNOT WORK. The writer must PAY them in order to be a writer. 2. Like baseball, fans of shows are being hurt, and just may have memories as long as baseball fans. 3. I don't like ANYBODY telling me where and when I can walk somewhere, work somewhere, shop somewhere, BE somewhere, whether there is a picket line or not. They do their thing, I do mine - but they would HURT me in some way for crossing their picket line placed in my way.

Janice Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 04:08 PM EST

So... if writing requires talent does that mean producing multi-million dollar projects doesn't require any skill whatsoever?

S Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 10:52 AM EST

Who cares if Leno "wrote" his own jokes? There aren't that many talented writers anyway, we should just hire new ones! The studios may make millions...but they also have to cover other costs related to all aspects of movies/tv and pay other employees...not just writers. I totally respect what the WGA is trying to do; however they are not considering how many other people they are hurting by still striking.

Dave Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 01:42 AM EST

Would it have been okay if he'd memorized or improvised it? If there's no cue cards, has he broken the rules? What if it's just pictures instead of words? While I'm 99% behind the WGA, this 1% thinks they're being nit-picky and over-reacting.

Ryan Sun, Jan 6, 2008 at 11:43 PM EST

I support the writers but they just dont know how to go about things. If they want insperation just look at Trey Parker and Matt Stone. They write South Park and are not part of the WGA and they made a deal with Comedy Central. They extended there show til 2010 for 70 million and they get 50 percent of the profit made from ads during their show. The reason for this cause they are not a bunch of whiny babies and they know how to write.

Leroi Sun, Jan 6, 2008 at 10:08 PM EST

Who really cares? Not me.

Brian W Sun, Jan 6, 2008 at 10:06 PM EST

Here's what I want to know -- how did the Writer's Guild overrule the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights? You mean to tell me that Jay Leno has to get PERMISSION from the Writer's Guild to write his OWN JOKES???

Dayum!!! This USED to be a free country.

Bad enough this strike (and I blame BOTH parties - the writers and the producers mutual greed) is killing entertainment in America. But now we have the WGA wiping their feet on the Constitution.

The WGA. No better than Major League Baseball for a rotten public image.

Albert Sun, Jan 6, 2008 at 09:58 PM EST

Get a grip! This isn't the 30's and 40's. If you don't make enough money, work harder and get another job - unions stink. They shoudl be abolished.

Sun, Jan 6, 2008 at 01:36 AM EST

Leno should not write. Period.

Sun, Jan 6, 2008 at 01:36 AM EST

Leno should not write. Period.

AlrightGuy Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 11:38 PM EST

I forgot to add: as a member of that union, Jay should know better.

AlrightGuy Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 11:36 PM EST

My two cents, not that anyone will read them at this point:
Jay is to be applauded for getting his non-writing staff back to work, as are Conan, Letterman and Ferguson. However, Jay is the only one doing unsanctioned and OBVIOUSLY written material. If he truly cared so much, why didn't he negotiate like Letterman did? Conan came back too, but has the decency to respect the writers and fill the time with unwritten material. Yes, Conan has the luxury of a later timeslot and lower expectations, but still. Jay claims to care but does not seem to act like it until he is called on his actions.
For the record, Craig Ferguson is funnier than any of them in my opinion.

Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 11:12 PM EST

I can appreciate the fact that the writers want a new deal. They are entitled to their money. But I think they are attacking the wrong person. Jay Leno paid his writers out of his own money while his show was off the air. So even though the writers weren't working, they still got paid. 160 is a lot of people to be out of work, and I can appreciate the fact that the show came back on air to employ those workers again. The writers need to watch out who they are attacking, they will lose the support of public opinion. They may just not care. Again, I think that the writers should get a fair deal but picking on someone who paid you when they didn't have to seems a little unresonable. Good Luck in your efforts, I hope its soon. I miss the tv shows. If it goes on too much longer I am afraid that even when you do come back, the viewers may wait a lot longer before they return.

salemor Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 07:37 PM EST

Frankly, I do not miss TV. There are millions of great books to read, thousands of new people to meet and it feels nice to get out and do something besides sitting on the couch and punching the remote. TV has lost it luster and appeal.

What would you do if you wrote a business proposal. Your boss loves the idea. The boss then takes the proposal to their boss. The big boss then says " Wow - what a great concept, we are going to implement that in our business. And thanks to Ms. No 2 boss for bringing this to our attention. No 2 boss will be receiving a bonus for such a great concept". Your immediate boss never tells the big boss it was your idea. You never get the credit and never get the the promotion you deserve because no one knows how smart you are and how industious you are. What would you do??

Darren Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 06:03 PM EST

I fully support Jay Leno's decision. Union or no Union, sometimes it's needed to use common sense, even if it means crossing a line.

hm Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 03:05 PM EST

I hate Leno and fully support the writer's plight. But to say he can't write his own material is like throwing their reason out the window. You should have been smarter than to take a writing job from a guy who is both a jerk and fully capable of writing his own jokes if he doesn't feel like paying you more than nothing.

Terri Carpenter Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 11:41 AM EST

I support the writers quest for a bigger share of internet sales but I think they are going after the wrong people. Jay Leno has supported them since day one, however, he also feels concern for the unemployed crew. I think the writers are carrying this thing too far and need to get back to the bargaining table so all can get back to work. They are being selfish and unreasonable. Hand slapping the people who have been supporting them is a sure way to lose that support.

Mike Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM EST

ferrin-The posters here aren't Joe Public. We are scared to death of Joe Public and you should too. The WGA has underestimated the percentage of brain-dead America who just watches what's on. The networks are drooling right now. They can fill the airwaves with reality and Joe Public will love it. They showed their love in the ratings of reality shows last year. When that poor Marie Osmand fainted, they were beside themselves. I don't know how much influence the networks have on the AMTPT. If it's a lot, they have no reason to end the impasse. I'm afraid by the time the writers and then the actors get their small increases, the television jobs will be a lot fewer.
As for me, I'm looking forward to Celebrity American Gladiator Apprentice. sigh

JohnT Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 11:11 AM EST

What happens if/when the DGA negotiates a new contract with the AMPTP while the WGA is still on the sidelines? Just asking. . . .

queen of disrepair Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 10:38 AM EST

The WGA is right. The producers are wrong. Fair is fair. And, if you are that upset about your favorite tv show not being on - pick up a friggin' book or go take a walk outside. It's only f*****g entertainment - everyone of us who is a bystander, should go out and play until this is settled. It isn't right that the $$$ I put out buying tickets, dvds or supporting network/internet advertisers isn't fairly distributed to the people most responsible for the creation of the work that creates work for all the tech folk and behind the scene folk. Does it suck that the producers are jacking off the industry in order to protect their unseemly control of profits? Yes - direct your anger toward them, not to the people who just want to be treated fairly.

queen of disrepair Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 10:37 AM EST

The WGA is right. The producers are wrong. Fair is fair. And, if you are that upset about your favorite tv show not being on - pick up a friggin' book or go take a walk outside. It's only f*****g entertainment - everyone of us who is a bystander, should go out and play until this is settled. It isn't right that the $$$ I put out buying tickets, dvds or supporting network/internet advertisers isn't fairly distributed to the people most responsible for the creation of the work that creates work for all the tech folk and behind the scene folk. Does it suck that the producers are jacking off the industry in order to protect their unseemly control of profits? Yes - direct your anger toward them, not to the people who just want to be treated fairly.

Seth Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 01:15 AM EST

AND. Why does EVERYone come down on the writers but give the corporations/studios/execs (who are raking in the millions) full reign on who they can screw over?!? I guess it's no biggie. If your boss hadn't given you a raise in years, I'm sure you'd all be completely fine with it.

Seth Sat, Jan 5, 2008 at 01:10 AM EST

::::sigh:::::

For the last time...Leno is a member of the writers union. And under union rules, he. can. not. write. Has anyone been a union member ?!!? Rules are put in place to protect you and your rights, BUT you can not pick and choose which rules pertain to you.

ElRoboDiablo Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 11:55 PM EST

i'm just gonna re-post this from AlejoLJ because he (or she) said it perfectly...

I HATE Leno, and am a huge Letterman fan, but I defend him here against the WGA. He had no choice but to do it himself. THEY'VE given him no choice. Seriously, this crap is getting old, and they are now coming across as bullies, I agree.
I still hope the writers get what they want, but I especialyI hope it ends ASAP! And if they don't manage to get a fair solution, I think they'll be partially responsible, for the tyrannical way they've handled this.

starstuff Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 11:54 PM EST

Creative production (in the arts and otherwise) is the only thing that moves the world forward. People should be compensated fairly for it.

The writers are striking for a fair share of web syndication. Pre-strike their share was effectively 0%, which meant that they stand to make less money every year. Fixing that is a reasonable request, and it's a shame they have to go through this just to get a fair deal.

Jay should have stood with them and made a statement, like ad-libbing jokes, or re-running an old monologue in front of a new show, or having some guest comedian do his act for the monologue, or something else creative....

maxie Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 10:33 PM EST

Leno's a member of a union. Unions have rules. They are to be followed. Do y'all understand that? Unions encase themselves in rules to protect themselves and their entitlements. As a member, you have to abide by them. Period.

ferrin Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 07:35 PM EST

Sooooo joe public can't watch their favorite tv show? THAT'S why the writers should back down. Get over yourselves!!

kungfuquaker Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 07:17 PM EST

Leno is better than he has been in years.

Dennis Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 06:46 PM EST

TELL the Writers that they have it better than they KNOW, and to GO BACK TO WORK!

Thanks- USAF Vet from 1977-78-
BTW- Helped with Babysitting H Bombs in SAC back then- So that GREEDY H WOOD types could HAVE a $$$$$ life!

johnson Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 06:09 PM EST

i hate the stupid strike and i hate the stupid writers
all my favorite shows are off and they are sitting home picking their noses for 1% raise screw that..

am really happy leno is back i need my laughs, those writers are selfish

Elizabeth Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 05:42 PM EST

The WGA needs to suck it up and stop making all the crew members suffer. You're not only helping YOURSELVES you're inconveniecing hundreds and making their lives worse because you're not satisfied. How bad can it be really? Go Leno. Do your thing!

Drew Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 05:21 PM EST

It took Leno 2 months to come up with that material. We'll see how he does over the long run.

He's a total scab. Let's stand up for people who work and not support their marginalization by corporations.

Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 04:42 PM EST

I'm not waiting for jack - f hollywood

Mike Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 04:27 PM EST

So how does this all end? Is either side even asking for negotiations? Or are we waiting for President Obama to call for a federal mediator next January?

Stallings Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 04:13 PM EST

"Ummm...so what was he supposed to do? he can't bring the writers back AND he can't write his own jokes?"

That's correct. He can perform and ad-lib, as Conan does, but as a member of the striking WGA, he's not allowed to write material. By doing so, he's basically crossing the picket line.

Stallings Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 04:03 PM EST

"I don't understand the amount of hate towards the writers?"

Because the writers are screwing with our TV viewing, man!

Unless some of you are simply trolling, some people here aren't grasping the fundamental concept of belonging to an organization.

Leno, as a member of the WGA, can't simply do as he pleases, Shawn. If they tell him to stop writing, he's breaking the rules and quite possibly prolonging the effort. Leno's smart enough to know better, so he obviously doesn't care.

phoozles Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 03:51 PM EST

A lot of talk about writers getting their fair cut - because producers make more than them. Well, be a producer then! I'm a radio DJ - we make chump change - while the sales staff drive fancy cars and live in big houses. I know I could make that money if I was a salesperson, but I'm not doing this gig for the cash - I'm doing it for the creativity and the fun. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for doing what you love. $73 is more than enough to live on.

And I hardly think the sole reason for Jay to go back to work was for his crew to have jobs. If the others were staying in the dark, so would he. (I wish he would - he sucks!)

K Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 03:50 PM EST

I support the strike, however, I find it completely idiotic for the WPA to go and picket against Leno and complain to him. He supports the WPA. Unlike that Carson Daly, Leno took money out of his own pocket to postpone it as long as he could. However, he can't deny the 160 crew members their salary. They NEED to work. So instead of the WPA going off on Leno, why don't they continue their efforts more against the producers and those big ugly sharks in Hollywood instead of alienated themselves by fighting Leno and O'Brien.

phoozles Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 03:49 PM EST

A lot of talk about writers getting their fair cut - because producers make more than them. Well, be a producer then! I'm a radio DJ - we make chump change - while the sales staff drive fancy cars and live in big houses. I know I could make that money if I was a salesperson, but I'm not doing this gig for the cash - I'm doing it for the creativity and the fun. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices for doing what you love. $73 is more than enough to live on.

And I hardly think the sole reason for Jay to go back to work was for his crew to have jobs. If the others were staying in the dark, so would he. (I wish he would - he sucks!)

Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 03:42 PM EST

Here's a crazy idea. Have the WGA create their OWN production company, produce their own work - then turn the tables on the actors, producers, and directors.
Then where are they going to turn for content?
Oh, that's right. The majority of you are hacks - so best to keep things the way they are, so you can keep up the fraud :)

C Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 03:36 PM EST

I don't understand the amount of hate towards the writers? Just because people are bitter about the tv season ending early this year doesn't mean you take it out on the writers. Its the execs fault for not negotiating fairly... 8 cents on a dvd is fair since they wrote the damn movie! Also for the arguement that writing is a real jobs... I would love for you to tell journalists or authors or magazine writers that their jobs are pointless since all of them involve oh wait for it... writing! Go back to flipping burgers and stay off the computers, thanks!

Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 03:12 PM EST

I don't think the fact that the writers make "73k" a year is the point. Believe me...I wish I made that much! The point is that the studios make miiiiiiillions and the writers want their fair cut. And it's a cut from profits of things that might not have been taken into consideration (and maybe didn't even exist) in a previous contract. Such as series dvd sales or internet episode sales. And from what I've heard, it's actually a VERY small percentage.

To me, it's akin to songwriters getting sckroowed out of their cut when people download music illegally. It may seem like chump change...but it adds up.

Bwahaha Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 03:12 PM EST

Okay Moe - will do. I'll have my agent call your agent. That's how it works, right?

The only problem is figuring out how to create entertainment, somehow bypassing the current system that's "locked in" to provide an easy living for a bunch of worthless, over-privileged hacks.

And it's not just the writers - the whole biz just keeps getting worse from all of the incestual inbreeding. With every generation, the pool just get a few inches more shallow :) Gotta make sure the kiddies have a fun job.

So just take whatever money they choose to give you, enjoy your easy job, and SHUT THE *#$# UP. And be glad Grandpa set you up.

Then just wait until someone like me writes a novel.

After which, you set about destroying it with some horrific "screenplay adaptation', "earn" whatever worthless award and accolades your friends bestow on you - wow, I'm impressed - then shove it up your *##.

I gotta go watch Spiderman 3 now on DVD - man, what a fabulous blockbuster! But I feel ill at ease, knowing the writer didn't make enough cash on this inane POS.

As for the 1% of writers who don't suck, well you're not reading this crap anyway. Just sorry you had to sell your soul to get your jobs.

rox Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:42 PM EST

hey...no "pages" of comments. Does this mean we're back to the old format?

B Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:42 PM EST

Ummm...so what was he supposed to do? he can't bring the writers back AND he can't write his own jokes?

Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:30 PM EST

Oh Dennis...your comment "When a few decide to get rich over the many who are making far less and at the many's expense. Time to say good by to the Few."

You do realize you're talking about the producers here, right? Sadly, I don't think you do...

And for crying out loud, I'm not using the Tonight Show writers as the argument for good writing...sigh...

Dennis Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:25 PM EST

I concur. "FIRE THE WRITERS." The last two shows of Leno's have been fantastic. Haven't laughed so hard in years. I remember years ago when the air traffic controllers striked, Shutting down all the airlines. The President of the U. S. fired them all and hired replacements. Best thing that ever happened. When a few decide to get rich over the many who are making far less and at the many's expense. Time to say good by to the Few. Congrats to Jay Leno....

Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:23 PM EST

BTW, I love Tina Fey.

Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:21 PM EST

Dear Bwahaha

When you get out of rehab, call me.

Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:20 PM EST

Jen, I think you missed the point--who initiated the actions that are putting the public on edge? that's what we mean about tactics! they're approach is hindering their cause per your post not helping. They have to do some image rehaul and get the public back on their side in tough conditions. That's why the producer's aren't saying anything. They figure the writer's will talk themselves into a corner. I want them to prove them wrong that they have just as much business sense and saavy and get what they deserve--but their current way of doing things isn't getting them anywhere.

Bwahaha Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:17 PM EST

Uhm... talented writers? On the Tonight Show!?!

Jay Leno is a brown-nosing worthless hack.

Nobody cares about a bunch of over-privileged Ivy League "writers" or their incestuous little unions.

If you have a problem with the producers, just complain to mommy and daddy. That's who got you your job in the first place - can't they just call your uncle the producer and just settle it at home? Why air the family grievances?

Or if that doesn't work, maybe have Tina Fey put out for you? She must be REALLY good given the "rave reviews" 30 Crock has been receiving. Or is it the Alec Baldwin connection? At any rate, she's certainly never shown an ounce of talent.

At any rate, take whatever crumbs they've granted you to churn out the worthless crap you write and shut yer yaps.

Or form the TWGA - and allow the few writers who actually have some talent demand a better deal.

I hope that fat, pompous Alec Baldwin is right, and that the networks are going to just leverage your asinine strike to clean house.

Meanwhile, I'll just wait for Paris Hilton to start up the HGA and begin her strike.

Maybe 1% of you got your job on merit - the rest are just networked in. So SHUT UP already and just be glad your parents gave you everything you wanted.

Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:17 PM EST

Does anyone know the average salary of a Hollywood producer? Hmmmnn, I'm thinking it's much higher than a paltry $73K...

Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:13 PM EST

To Shawn (again):

If Jay is soooooo concerned about his staff, maybe he could afford to pay them the minimum wage they are getting from the studios to compensate them & stop blaming the writers! Jen (above) is right - it's not the writers putting these people out of work - they aren't cutting the checks. Blame the studios and producers!

jen Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:12 PM EST

Aaahhh...this is playing out brilliantly for the executives and producers. Getting the public to come down on the writers so they won't have to concede A THING to the people who actually make them their millions.

And I think Leno used a very poor choice of words. It's not "the writers" that are putting 160 others out of work...it's the people who are writing his checks.

Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:11 PM EST

Brilliant, Debra! Yes, fire all the writers...and hire new ones. It's so easy to find talented writers, isn't it? So many think the actors just come up with engaging storylines and witty dialogue...what? You mean talented people actually write this stuff? Wow....

Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:09 PM EST

Re: "According to a 2006 survey by the Motion Picture Association of America, the average salary of a writer is $73K, that's more than about 80% of Americans."

I guess more Americans should learn to write....

DEBRA SMITH Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:06 PM EST

I AM NOT A FAN OF ANY OF THESE PEOPLE I COULD CARE LESS OF LENO OR LETTERMAN I JUST KNOW ALL MUST GROW UP!I SAY FIRE THE PROBLEMS AND I DONT REMEMBER WHO SAID IT BUT LETS PUT IT OUT HERE THE SHOW MUST GO ON! JUST HIRE NEW WRITERS THAT ARENT SO GREEDY FOR NOW! THEN ALL SHOWS GET IT TOGETHER ON YOUR WRITERS CONTRACTS !DOESN`T DO ANY GOOD TO BE UPSET WITH EACH OTHER YOUR IN THE SAME BUSINESS DEAL WITH IT! DO THE HOMEWORK! ITS NOT THE PUBLICS FAULT AND WE ALL JUST WANT OUR SHOWS THAT WE PAY FOR BACK WRITERS I SAY TO YOU STOP BITING THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU BEFORE YOU GET BIT BACK IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE !

Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:05 PM EST

According to a 2006 survey by the Motion Picture Association of America, the average salary of a writer is $73K, that's more than about 80% of Americans. .

jen Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:02 PM EST

Aaahhh...this is playing out brilliantly for the executives and producers. Getting the public to come down on the writers so they won't have to concede A THING to the people who actually make them their millions.

And I think Leno used a very poor choice of words. It's not "the writers" that are putting 160 others out of work...it's the people who are writing his checks.

Rick Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 02:02 PM EST

Fire all of the union stooges that are striking and make them re-apply for their jobs back.

Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:58 PM EST

Aaahhh...this is playing out brilliantly for the executives and producers. Getting the public to come down on the writers so they won't have to concede A THING to the people who actually make them their millions.

And I think Leno used a very poor choice of words. It's not "the writers" that are putting 160 others out of work...it's the people who write his checks.

jen Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:53 PM EST

Aaahhh...this is playing out brilliantly for the executives and producers. Getting the public to come down on the writers so they won't have to concede A THING to the people who actually make them their millions.

And I think Leno used a very poor choice of words. It's not "the writers" that are putting 160 others out of work...it's the people who are writing his checks.

Shawn Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:52 PM EST

I know it's not just about JAY'S writers, TV shows and movies are all on hold, due to this strike, the fact is this ARTICLE is about how the WGA is crying about how Jay supposedly violated some rules. All I'm saying the writers can have their little strike, but Jay, WGA Member or not, has an obligation to the rest of his staff. . .

I just find it ridiculous that they are crying that he's going on with a monologue, Wed Night, yes he ab libbed it was obivous, but I don't see the problem with him writing his own material!!! It's not like he's hiring non-union labor to do it. . .

Shawn Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:41 PM EST

WGA member or not, Jay has a responsiblity to protect ALL his staff members. . . As long as it's his own material, let him have at!!! And by looking at the ratings it seems to be working. . .

Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:40 PM EST

That was enlightening, Shawn. So, it's just Jay's writers on strike?

Wake-up!

Most writers don't earn anywhere near that amount.

I congratulate the writes who can demand and earn such a salary! In Hollywood money = respect!

Writers are talented individuals - that's why they should and deserve to earn more. They are the creators. If you don't agree, you shouldn't be watching TV or going to the movies or reading a book.

Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:39 PM EST

I read the comments and I think that no one is saying that the writer's don't deserve a fair deal. They're looking at it from all angles, which honestly is what you should do when discussing an issue. It's not simple, and I think what Terri is pointing out is that it's difficult to get support for something, when people have a lot of other things to worry about. Getting defensive that simply becuase it's not a 100 percent backing without some sort of balanced view is not helping anyone--which is what the WGA AND people on this board are doing which is why they'r at a standstill. Again--the producer's have the upper hand. it's been three months. figure something else out! stop thinking because people are saying "this isn't working" that they are also saying that you hand it over. That's NEVER good business sense and I think the writer's would benefit from not looking at this like artists but like a shark during negotiations. God, they did it on 30 rock and Tina Fey wrote it!

To Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:36 PM EST

Some of Jay's Writers are making $500,000. .. Oh yeah those poor writers aren't making enough. . .

Shawn Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:34 PM EST

From AOL:

The fact that some of Leno's writers are paid $500,000 or more annually also didn't sit well with suddenly out-of-work below-the-line staffers who make a fraction of that amount. Writers also are getting residuals on "Tonight Show" reruns that air during the strike

So yes the Writers are greedy. . the camera men, office staff, and make up artists need to work!!

Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:33 PM EST

To Shawn re: "The only thing Jay did was write down the jokes, so he didn't have to memorize them."

That's called 'writing'...

Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:29 PM EST

One of the points lost on many people is that Jay is a WGA member! That means he cannot put pen to paper or use his computer to write! He's supposed to be a comedian! If he's so talented a comedian, then he should be able to ad-lib.

Sorry for the reality check here folks, but strikes usually come at bad times and affect more than the people on the picket line! That doesn't mean the writers should suck it up (again) and roll over. They are suffering, their families are suffering. They have compasion for the other professionals and they don't want to be in this position, but they are forced to.

The producers who are making millions are the ones who should be ashamed. They don't want to share their profits. They are greedy and obviously don't respect the contribution made by writers.

Think of your favourite movie or TV show. They don't write themselves - writers do!

Shawn Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:23 PM EST

Do you really need to be a WRITER to makeup jokes about Britney Spears??? The only thing Jay did was write down the jokes, so he didn't have to memorize them. . (OH YEAH, you have to be a UNION MEMBER, to do that. .) get real. . .

Shawn Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:20 PM EST

Conan cameback and has done nothing but stalled for time till his guests come out, Jay on the other hand decided to write his OWN material (NOT AGAINST THE RULES), and to go on as usual. . . why? because 160 people needed to work!!! I agree the WGA is getting a raw deal, they should get their royalties, but their tactics are flawed!!! Their strike shouldn't come at the expense of others. .
Letterman only benefited from owning the production company, otherwise he'd be in the same predicament!!! The funny thing is Leno beat Letterman in the ratings!!!

Moe Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:17 PM EST

Jay Leno is a member of the WGA. That means he cannot WRITE at all when there is a strike. He has basically walked across the picket line. I think he should be ashamed. He's a stand-up comedian, so he should have ad-libbed. Reading from cue cards? Lame!

The writers are not bullies. They are fighting for their future and their fair share.

After all, where do stories come from? Producers? Actors? Directors?

WRITERS!

Shawn Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:10 PM EST

Yes I do know what the writers are asking for. . one of the sticking points are royalties for internet viewing. . . but that in no way gives them the right to put other people's jobs at risk. Leno has to put the needs of the many over the needs of a few.

Terri Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:06 PM EST

Andrew--You completely missed my point and I think that's the main issue with this. It is not a black and white issue, as nothing in business is. In order to get what you want, you have to have certain elements in place AND in your favor. You know the saying, right person, wrong time? That's what I mean. They could not control when the contract was up for renewal and all I'm pointing is given the clime--well, they're not getting the support they deserve. I didn't say that they should go back under the old deal; I pointed out that their tactics aren't working, so that means a new strategy. You realy are picking on the wrong person--I can agree with what they're doing but disagree with how they're handling it which is what I think Leno is doing. The producers are wrong and owe the writers a fair contract--but they have the chips stacked in their favor at the moment so like I said--new game plan. Find a way to make them weak because this isn't working.

Lauren Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:59 PM EST

I think the networks should start combing these message boards for witty writers. I'd be happy to earn a living writing pop culture jokes or Desperate Housewives episodes. Seriously, haven't we all had enough Deal or No Deal?! I just want my shows back, please.

Andrew Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:58 PM EST

Oh, and Letterman was only able to get his writers back (and Colin Fergison's) because his production company, Worldwide Pants, produces the show. Dave's writers have a new and fair contract, and are back at work.

I hope that more independent production companies follow suit and try to work with the WGA.

Andrew Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:55 PM EST

Terri,
While I agree that the world is in shambles now... What does the 'timing' of the strike have to do with anything? The contract the WGA had with the producers guild expired, and they want a different deal. Simple as that.
Lets say for a second that for some crazy reason, the WGA saw it your way and said 'hmm this isnt working, so lets just go back to work under our old deal'. The issues would never get resolved... what then?

:\ Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:52 PM EST

I think it's stupid that the guild says that hosts can't write their own jokes and are bashing Jay for going back to work when, like he said its 19 vs 160. I think Leno has too many fans that are going to be pissed at the union for getting on him and I think they are going to lose a lot of support because of it.

AlejoLJ Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:51 PM EST

I HATE Leno, and am a huge Letterman fan, but I defend him here against the WGA. He had no choice but to do it himself. THEY'VE given him no choice. Seriously, this crap is getting old, and they are now coming across as bullies, I agree.

I still hope the writers get what they want, but I especialyI hope it ends ASAP! And if they don't manage to get a fair solution, I think they'll be partially responsible, for the tyrannical way they've handled this.

Terri Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:50 PM EST

It's bad economic times across the country, oil is nearly 100 dollars a barrell, we're at war, children are dying in Kenya, should I go on? THIS is why the writer's strike is losing the support that it had two months ago. It's difficult to support something like that when it is putting numerous people out of work--out of benefits--and they will reap none of the reward once it's resolved. It's difficult to choose one side based on soley what is right, when people are also trying to be pragmatic. I agree with what the writer's are asking for, it's just that their timing couldn't be worse. Their tactics aren't working. Maybe if they get the Garbage Union to go on strike with them, they'd get soem resolution--that gets resolved right quick.

Andrew Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:47 PM EST

For all of the people who are saying that the strike has lasted too long, and that the writers just need to 'shut up and get back to work'... Why not direct your misguided anger to the producers guild, who has still not offered up a fair deal. The writers didn't stand firm on VHS residuals in the 80s when the producers said that they were unsure of this 'new medium' and the result was a totally unfair deal that they have had to live with for two decades now.....
Also, it was said up near the top, in that swell of ignorance, that the writers are making half million dollar salaries to 'sit on their butt and write'. SO VERY FEW writers are millionaire writers, but so many more of the producers are WAY better off, all because of an unbalanced and unfair deal.

Liza Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:36 PM EST

It takes 19 writers to come up with the lame jokes?

GeeMoney Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:27 PM EST

This writer's strike has officially gotten OLD. I think that maybe everyone thought that it would be resolved by the end of December, but unfortunately it is still dragging on. Come to an agreement, people!

And leave Jay Leno alone.... what was the man supposed to do? Get up there for 5 minutes and talk about nothing?!?!?!

flwink Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:14 PM EST

I think that the WGA would not have said anything had Leno not so thoroughly beat Dave in the ratings. The WGA was hoping to use their deal with WW Pants to push the negotiations back to the table. They didn't realize that in having one show with writers and one without, that America is going to watch the one without waiting for the train wreck. Its rubbernecking at its most fun... Its why reality TV is popular.

If Letterman had been close to Leno in the ratings then there would be no issue because WGA would have been smart enough to see the PR nightmare that going after Jay is creating for them. And calling Huckabee a scab didn't work out so well for them either. At least to Iowans.

Manny Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:06 PM EST

Jay Leno would make a great spin doctor. If Letterman wasn't going to go back on the air then Leno and NBC wouldn't care about rushing back to production with self written jokes. Leno was a back stabber when he stole the tonight show from Letterman, and he still has to mention him and CBS in his monologue because of his insecurities.

Stallings Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 11:55 AM EST

So, Stephen and Shawn, you blame the writers? Why not blame the executives who refuse to renegotiate an unfair contract? Do you even know what the writers are asking for?

As far as 'suffering' through reruns, it's pretty clear what country this strike is taking place in if that's a definition of suffering.

Krista Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 11:55 AM EST

Please, read up on the subject before you start pointing fingers, and proclaiming loudly.
www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com
and
www.unitedhollywood.com

Shawn Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM EST

I applaud Leno, for putting the needs of the 160 (Camera men,office staff, ect) in front the 20 blowhard writers. He's not a scab, these people were going to lose their jobs, what more important the 20 loser's striking, or the 160 other HARD WORKING employees. . hmmm. . Leno has been supportive of the Union, infact he was one of the first out picketing for them, but he was paying the 160 other people out of his own pocket!!! The past two monologues proves that he doesn't need those 20 striking losers. . . he's a stand up comic, for pete sakes. .

Stephen Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 11:12 AM EST

Thank God someone (Jay Leno) has the sense to do the right thing. I'm all for people striking... but not when so many other people's lives are affected... don't the writers realize how many people depend on the day-to-day paychecks they get from working in the industry.

Oh, I guess they can't see past all that residual money they're still making while we suffer watching the reruns that are paying for them to put everyone else out of work.

Mike Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 10:30 AM EST

The question of collective bargaining here has already been left out to decompose.

Regardless of the strike, there’s a more fundamental issue of survival that draws from a far higher source of import. Hollywood could roll up into a ball of goo for a year and the hills would still be stocked with millionaires and the wealthy coke dealers who keep them all smiling. In other words, nobody really gives two tinkers of a d@mn about this ageless wonder of a strike. What the public sees is a bunch of greedy people trying to get a bigger slice from another gaggle of greedy people.

The business you are killing is your own.

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Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 09:52 AM EST

I personally thought the last 2 monologues were proof he's working without writers. They were terrible. The WGA should let him keep going, because, if this is the best he's come up with in over 2 months, it's proof that these shows need writers.

Stallings Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 09:48 AM EST

Leno is trying to have it both ways. You can't claim to be supporting the cause while simultaneously undermining it.

The issue with this thread is that it's not so much about Jay's lame humor as it is about anti-union posters overly concerned with someone else's salary.

Mike Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 09:44 AM EST

On David Letterman's first night back, his head writer stops a lame joke to literally call the AMTPT names. This goes on for about a minute and they did this before the shutdown.
The producers are sitting back while the WGA comes across as strident bullies. They are telling Jay Leno he can't tell his own jokes. They are picking and choosing which award shows will have jokes? and actors.
A word of warning: deny America their endless red carpets and you've lost the hearts and minds of the entertainment public.

Robyn Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 09:36 AM EST

This is a man who truly cares for his crew of 15 and 160. He has supported the 15- WGA from the beginning. It hasn't settled so now he makes a decision that will go against the 15 WGA to place a 160 back to work. They need to support their families too! Good Decision Jay!

carl Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 09:15 AM EST

Jay didn't mean anything by it; he was just joking.

Lisa Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 09:00 AM EST

Scab = a word used by a childish blowhard who doesn't give a d@mn about the other 160 people who rely on Jay Leno for their jobs.

I'm proud of Jay. The show is just as good, or even better without the writers. And I think THAT is what scares them! They aren't really needed! LOL, you're shooting yourselves in the foot dumbfarks!

kevin Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 08:54 AM EST

they are crying "pencil down means pencil down" then there should not be any deals made with letterman or only certain award shows that they will write for. that is very hypocritical.

Ryan Zamora Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 07:15 AM EST

While support their right to ask for residuals on internet downloads think the writers have getting increasingly unreasonable. I also would support them more if they use some of the extra residuals that they get in helping non-writng staff recoup their lost income.

Dino T Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 03:15 AM EST

I wonder if the average American thinks that is okay for the union to tell a guy he can't write jokes for his own show? If the janitors strike can he flush the toilet?

Chris Jackson Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:38 AM EST

Come on now - if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck even smells like a duck - its a FRICKIN' DUCK!

Jay Leno is a SCAB!

After he admitted he wrote his own monologue after being warned weeks ago that no monologue would be allowed for talkshow hosts crossing the picketline then if you allow Jay to cross the WGA is SCABBING ITS OWN STRIKE.

Stop JAY - NOW - Please! In the name of sweet Jesus on the cross.

Chris Jackson Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:37 AM EST

Come on now - if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck even smells like a duck - its a FRICKIN' DUCK!

Jay Leno is a SCAB!

After he admitted he wrote his own monologue after being warned weeks ago that no monologue would be allowed for talkshow hosts crossing the picketline then if you allow Jay to cross the WGA is SCABBING ITS OWN STRIKE.

Stop JAY - NOW - Please! In the name of sweet Jesus on the cross.

No Talent Hack Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:27 AM EST

I feel really sorry for all of the no talent hacks who are currently on strike, particularly if they feel threatened by the likes of Jay Leno.
It'd be interesting for someone to report on how the nation's libraries are faring in light of this strike.
But let us all rejoice for Jay's brave move to relieve the 160 losers who work on his idiotic show. Given they're all most likely related in some fashion to someone else in Hollywood, I kinda doubt they were feeling much pain.
At any rate, back to my Television Watcher Strike, which I've kept up for many, many years.
It's too bad the system can't just rip itself apart - and Americans could get back to celebrating local artists in their own communities, rather than continuing to settle for the fascist, national entertainment industry.

DLM Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 01:11 AM EST

The issue is complicated, and in this case I think the WGA is overreacting. It seems that they're taking a hard line that is inconsistent with the WGA agreement, if NBC's statement is reliable. I support the writers in their strike, but they need to realize that their fight isn't with Jay Leno, who supports them, and focus their energy where it matters.

bobby Fri, Jan 4, 2008 at 12:51 AM EST

These writers need to shut up and get back to work, or find a new job. The rest of the world actually works for a livin', and I ain't maaking no half-million a year to sit on my butt and write, like they do! Get a real job, you jerks, and stop pampering yourselves with that crap that you write, anyway.

RayT Thu, Jan 3, 2008 at 11:52 PM EST

I think if the WGA keeps up this dictatorial treatment of the people who publicly support their cause they're going to lose a lot of support from the general public who is already tiring of this strike. I completely support the strike but let's face it: admonishing Jay for his 5-minute monologue when you have 99% of the entertainment industry at a standstill is just ridiculous. Their utter refusal to even consider granting a reprieve to the HFPA for the Golden Globes (an organization that hands out awards to writers/artists) even when they're basically begging on their hands and knees is a little like cancelling the party someone has thrown in your honor because you don't like the way it was planned. I also don't like the way they release decrees scolding guild members like children. I understand that strikes aren't meant to be tactful and diplomatic, but the WGA seems to be lashing out at the wrong people to compensate for the silent treatment they're getting from the AMPTP.

Susie Thu, Jan 3, 2008 at 11:42 PM EST

There are 160 people who are relieved that is the case.

Delta Thu, Jan 3, 2008 at 11:07 PM EST

Leno was the best I have seen in years; forget the writers and return to what these guys do best; standup. Striking doesn't help anyone, find another way; perhaps real communication?

ChuckT Thu, Jan 3, 2008 at 11:03 PM EST

The writers are a bunch of babies. Jay wrote his monologue WITHOUT them and it was funny as hell. Scab or not, that proves how irrelevant a lot of these "talented" writers are.

Nick Thu, Jan 3, 2008 at 10:06 PM EST

Leno is a scab.