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'The Hobbit' is a go with Peter Jackson

Dec 18, 2007, 08:11 PM | by Nicole Sperling

Categories: Movie Biz, The Hobbit

Jackson_lIt's back to Middle Earth for Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, and the boys from New Line. Finally, the years of disputes have ended, and the partners (including co-producer and co-distributor MGM) are gearing up for two new Hobbit movies. EW investigated, talking to the parties behind the negotiations to uncover how everything got resolved, and to get an idea of what viewers can expect of these adaptations of J.R.R. Tolkien's original literary masterpiece. Here's the lowdown:

Jackson and his life/creative partner Walsh have always envisioned the big-screen adaptation of The Hobbit as two movies. The first would deal with the 80-year old novel. The second, imagined entirely by Jackson and Walsh, would link the conclusion of The Hobbit to the start of the first Lord of the Rings book, The Fellowship of the Ring. New Line and Jackson will develop the properties over the next year with hopes of entering into pre-production by 2009 for a 2010 and 2011 release. No writers, including Jackson, Walsh, and their longtime partner Philippa Boyens, have been commissioned. (None can be, because of the strike.)

New Line has already decided that both films will be produced at the same time, in similar fashion to how the LOTR trilogy was put together, and no budgets have been assigned the films yet. According to New Line's co-chair Robert Shaye, "You can't budget an idea."

While MGM and New Line want to keep Jackson's involvement in the film as broad as possible, hinting that he may take up both writing and directing responsibilities, Jackson's manager Ken Kamins told Hollywood Insider that Jackson won't be directing the films. "Peter won't be directing because he felt the fans have waited long enough for The Hobbit. It will take the better part of every day of the next four
years to write, direct and produce two Hobbit films. Given his current obligations to both The Lovely Bones and Tintin, waiting for Peter, Fran, and Phillippa to write, direct and produce The Hobbit would
require the fans wait even longer."

Directors Sam Raimi (Spider-Man), Guillermo del Toro (Pan's Labyrinth), and Alfonso Cuaron (Children of Men) are still the names that come up as alternate possiblities, but no official creative decision has been made.

"There is obviously a small but significant number of directors who could handle two films of this magnitude, but we have no commitment to anybody," Shaye said. "Now that Peter is an integral part of the decision-making process, we all have to see eye-to-eye on any candidate we try to enlist."

Those creative pow-wows are set to begin in early 2008 when New Line plans to sit down with Jackson to hash out critical details. (Jackson will be filming The Lovely Bones through February.)

Neither Jackson’s rep nor New Line will explain how the nasty battle between the two parties got resolved. The fight hit a low point in November 2006 when New Line actually "fired" Jackson from The Hobbit and Jackson took the battle to the LOTR fansite TheOneRing.net, where he posted, “New Line would no longer be requiring our services on The Hobbit.” New Line’s Shaye now calls it, “a misunderstanding that wound up becoming a mini-war.” The two parties began negotiating this June, but it seems MGM’s Harry Sloan served a significant role as a mediator between the two sides.

According to New Line's co-chair Michael Lynne, "Harry served in a mediating function and at a certain sensitive moment he was very helpful." The New Line co-chairs do attest that once Sloan got involved,
the studio was already well down the path of negotiating with Jackson. But Jackson's rep Kamins adds, "Harry, acting in the appropriate self-interest for MGM, used the fact that he owned a piece of the rights to be helpful to both sides in this converstaion. I really credit Harry greatly."

Shaye and company regret how acrimonious things became with Jackson. (In January, Shaye told Sci-Fi Wire website, "I don't care about Peter Jackson anymore. He thinks we owe him something after we've paid him over a quarter of a billion dollars!")

"From my side, I just regret that it happened," said Shaye. "It was a total misunderstanding about what anybody had to gain or lose. I'm extremely glad that the bad blood was just a little infection and not
really a disabling malady."

New Line is quick to point out that The Hobbit resolution is in no way a reaction to disappointing domestic box office numbers for their most recent release, The Golden Compass, which they had hoped would launch a new franchise. "Absolutely not," said Lynne. "This has been in the works for a while now. Golden Compass, by the way, overseas, is performing spectacularly. Obviously, we have been disappointed with its performance here, but I think overall it will do quite well."

Regardless of Compass' performance, the studio now has a new, sure-fire hit to get underway. And even though the lawsuits are settled and the fences are mended, there are still numerous hurdles between this announcement and fans sitting in the theater watching Bilbo Baggins help 13 dwarves reclaim their treasure. First, there is the nasty writer's strike that trudges on; and second, the project's visionary
writer/director/producer has a lot of other projects on his plate. Surely, though, this triumph deserves a little celebration. Will Jackson be planning a bender back in New Zealand?

According to Kamins, not even close. "I haven't even talked to Peter," he said, laughing. "He just got home from Pennsylvania, (where Lovely Bones is filming) last night."

-- Additional writing and reporting by Missy Schwartz and Vanessa Juarez

Grant Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:14 PM EST

i have a question regarding Gandalf fighting the witch king, due to the fact that Gandalf is more powerful, why does the witch king destroy his staff?

Grant Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:14 PM EST

i have a question regarding Gandalf fighting the witch king, due to the fact that Gandalf is more powerful, why does the witch king destroy his staff?

Grant Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:14 PM EST

i have a question regarding Gandalf fighting the witch king, due to the fact that Gandalf is more powerful, why does the witch king destroy his staff?

Yksisaravinen Fri, May 9, 2008 at 07:45 PM EST

tres angelique! i am elbereth!

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Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM EST

Nikolaj Coster Waldau just announced on Danish TV that he has a 13 mill. offer to play the lead in the new "Hobbit" film, but his agents had told him to hold out for 15 mill.

Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 02:47 PM EST

I'm not watching that movie unless it's made by Jackson period.

rob jiggins Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 02:06 PM EST

as with the lotrs film s r the best films & u can always look with excitment 4 the wait with peter as he is the grt8t filmmaker of the 20th century good luck peter u deserve it 2 do THE HOBBIT NO 1 ELSE IN EVERY1S EYES CAN MAKE IT MAGICAL LIKE U XXXX

ali hobbit Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 02:02 PM EST

as with the lotr wot a masterpeiece with peter Hes the only 1 in my eyes who can bring the hobbit 2 life i calll myself ali hobbit?????? i cant wait with excitment like i did with the brill fantastic lotrs films which thanku 2 peter woz excellent xxx
go 2 it peter u r the grt8t xxxxxx
filmmaker offf the 20th century xxxxxxx

bevans Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 05:23 PM EST

For any true Tolkien fan, there has to be at least two movies that address the Silmarillion, truly the beginning of the world. It is a consistent story that truly lays the foundation for the Rings as well as the Hobbit.

Michael P. Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 09:38 AM EST

I would definitely be willing to wait to get Peter Jackson. I don't want a movie put together faster if it's no good. I hope we get P.Jackson, but I'll bet he's not as thrilled about directing The Hobbit as we fans would like him to be. Huge commitment.

flutepharm Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 12:29 AM EST

Word is that Howard Shore is in line to compose the music for both movies. This is huge!!! Shore's incredible ability to capture the essence of middle-earth and fantasy is an essential ingredient that will help bridge the gap between the movies

Richard Gagnon Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 03:01 PM EST

Look guys, we all want Peter Jackson to direct the hobbit duology, actually, why not get the whole LOTR crew back again. But Peter Jackson wants to make other films. He does not want to be stuck doing LOTR type films forever. If Jackson does not have the time to direct the picture, he will hire someone else. I am sure he will find the perfect candidate. For me the perfect candidates for The Hobbit would be; Guillermo Del Torro or Adam Adamson. Actually, Adam Adamson would be my first choice over Guillermo because of the success of the Shrek films & Chronicles of Narnia. Plus, he is a new zealander, so Peter and Adam might become good friends; God only knows. By the way, Adam Adamson is and will be directing the next Narnia pictures in the future, so who knows if he has time. So my good friends, what do you say; Guillermo Del Torro or Adam Adamson!

haxel Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:00 AM EST

Peter jackson has to direct the hobbit or it wont be the same.

Steven Phipps Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 10:22 PM EST

As a fan since 1974 I for one am willing to wait for Peter and Fran to direct the Hobbit duology. If Newline and MGM are smart they will do whatever to make this happen. It seems most fans agree with this point of view. A new director is a bad move.

The books and films have been a big part of my 43 year life and I want Peter and Fran to head up the team.

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daz Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 01:27 PM EST

i would love PJ to direct but it aint guna happen,this i can very begrudgingly accept,put he has to write(along with his partner) or i will be distraught!!!!!

Leafcrown Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 03:36 PM EST

Raimi? Have you f*cking seen Spiderman 3?!

stewart Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 09:44 AM EST

I dont see the need for the second movie linking the hobbit and lotr. Not much happened in those 60 years to begin with, and PJ telling us what he thinks happened in Tolkiens world is just wrong. It would be much better to make a movie based on the children of hurin or beren and luthien

stewart Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 09:43 AM EST

I dont see the need for the second movie linking the hobbit and lotr. Not much happened in those 60 years to begin with, and PJ telling us what he thinks happened in Tolkiens world is just wrong. It would be much better to make a movie based on the children of hurin or beren and luthien

Carla Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 04:08 PM EST

I can not imagen The Hobbit being directed by anyone else besides Peter Jackson. His dedication to LOTR is testament to his honor and respect of Tolken's work. It is like his Dharma to complete this. Also, Jackson made Tolken fans out of people who have never read the books and encouraged those new fans to read the books and pass it on to their children. Peter, you are the man for the job.

Carla Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 04:08 PM EST

I can not imagen The Hobbit being directed by anyone else besides Peter Jackson. His dedication to LOTR is testament to his honor and respect of Tolken's work. It is like his Dharma to complete this. Also, Jackson made Tolken fans out of people who have never read the books and encouraged those new fans to read the books and pass it on to their children. Peter, you are the man for the job.

Bryan Parry Mon, Jan 7, 2008 at 11:03 AM EST

What's this rubbish about making the fans wait? Jackson and Walsh are the ONLY people I want to make the Hobbit. I don't care if I have to wait another ten years, so long as a hash isn't made of it.. and Jackson and Walsh means quality. I can wait till they're free.

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Chris B. Sun, Dec 30, 2007 at 02:56 PM EST

The idea of a bridged sequel just seems strange to me... It wouldn't be Tolkiens LOTR, and though I have faith in the imagination of Peter Jackson and co., I might prefer they made two movies of the Hobbit, each depicting roughly half the book. Since it's a single tale, and one bound to be successful, why not make two movies just for the purpose of retaining the entire story. I would like that. There's plenty of story there to work with.

Katherine Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 09:20 PM EST

Even if this comes out in 2010 I will be approaching 81 years of age- so I'm in a hurry to see work done on it.

Katherine Sat, Dec 29, 2007 at 09:20 PM EST

Even if this comes out in 2010 I will be approaching 81 years of age- so I'm in a hurry to see work done on it.

LOTR Fri, Dec 28, 2007 at 01:05 PM EST

The First Age is a totally different period from LOTR, with a different Dark Lord and no rings but Jewels. Its like trying to link Ancient Greece with today, the world has completely changed. I mean its even set in a different land "Beleriand" which sunk beneath the ocean at the end of the first age. Thus it has nothing to do with LOTR and the Second Age would only confuse readers, with Gil-galad and Numenor. The sequel will be a bridge movie, linking the hobbit with fellowship. I suggest that the Silmarillion could potentially one day have a series of films in its own right (like LOTR) but it has very little to do with the actual background of the Lord of the Rings, its ancient history by the Third Age, and so in my POV cannot be used unless its of some historical worth to the characters, like Aragorn receiving the ring of barahir, who was Beren Camlost's father.

smaug Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 07:51 PM EST

Turgin how could you say that the silmarrilion is the only thing that could do justice as the second film when the appendixes and in-between stories were also thought up in Tolkeins head. Yes it would be good to add in silmarillion ideas and stories but there are some things the audience dosnt know about like how arwen and aragorn meet (well most of the non-readers) so no the silmarillions isnt the ONLY thing that could do justace as the second film when there are so many ideads to capture in film and make the audience more clear of The Lord of the Rings and how these things all came together to make The Lord of the Rings like how sauron (the sorrcerer) moves from Mirkwood to Mordor and the birth and life of Frodo. Exactly how does the audience know about Frodo (the non-readers) when all The Hobbit is about Bilbo's story. All of these things will do justce to the story but adding in TO MANY things from the Sil. will confuse people if not being used as a Prelude.

Olorin Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 01:53 PM EST

the films will be just fine, I am sure, with any dedicated and talented director, so long as Jackson maintains some involvment through Production.

Olorin Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 01:51 PM EST

We know of the Fears Elrond, Gandalf, Glorfindel and Galadriel harboured, and we know of how Saruman allayed those fears with half-truths and the power of His Voice, which, according to Unfinished Tales, even the Lord of The Nazgul did not question, whether it fell short of the truth or told half lies. There really is a ton of stuff to go on, a full sckeleton, which a good writer could flesh out fairly easily, especially since some of the flesh, blood and sinew has already been provided.

Trust me, I am not one of the Jackson Fanboys who delusionally thinks no one but Jackson can do anything with any Tolkien work, nor am I one of the amnesiacs who have forgotten that Jackson's film version, while riveting, still had some discernable flaws, and I am NOT talking Bombadil. I mean realistic flaws that could have been better handled without greatly changing the length or scope of the films. But I do applaud Jackson, and I believe that he can do well with a second Hobbit film, though

Olorin Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 01:44 PM EST

To be fair, he really doesn't have to re-write it, he need only fill in some dialogue and action sequences. The story is their. "Some here will remember that many years ago ( 170 exactly)I myself dared to pass the gates of The Necromancer in Dol Guldur, and secretly explored his ways, and discoverd thus that our fears were true. He was none other than Sauron, our enemy of old." Tons of material is revealed in side comments, appendecies, and there is a good deal of dialoge if you look in the Simlarillion and Unfinished Tales, along with a comprehensive timeline. We know that the awakening of The Balrog drove the dwarves out of Moria and the elves out of Lindon in TA 1981. Dain declared to Thrain that The Balrog still held Moria and that "some greater power than that of the Dwarves" would have to come through before dwarves walked again in Khazad Dum. We know where Gandalf found Thrain "witless and wandering" and the news he brought to the council, and how Saruman responded to it.

John Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 10:39 AM EST

Gotta be honest, really worried about a Jackson written "bridge" movie. If they wanna milk this franchise they could have either gone uber in depth and done Hobbit the book in two, or turned to some of Tolkein's other work (just read "Children of Hurin" - excellent). Outside of LOTR Jackson has never made an entertaining movie movie in his career. Certtainly don't like the idea of him re0writing Tolkein.

Fred Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 04:05 AM EST

I am glad to see the Hobbit getting the Peter Jackson treatment. It should be interesting to see how he bridges the gap between Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. However it is given to us by Tolkien himself in the Simarlion, if I am not mistaken. I for one would love to see it received the Peter Jackson treatment too. It should proved to be another box office hit for the studios.

Lotr Tue, Dec 25, 2007 at 09:25 AM EST

james earl jones shold be smoag,s voice

Alan carl haugh Tue, Dec 25, 2007 at 09:22 AM EST

JAMES EARL JONES SHOULD BE SMAUG'S VOICE.

Alan carl haugh Tue, Dec 25, 2007 at 09:21 AM EST

JAMES IRL JONES SHOULD BE SMAUG

Olorin Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 05:36 PM EST

Also, while it takes place roughly 100 years prior to The Hobbit, Gandalf's second visit to Dol Guldur simply MUST appear in the second film. Without it, THe COuncil would never have been moved to attack Dol Guldur in the first place, as there would have been no surety of Sauron's presnce there until he decided to reveal it in his own time.

Olorin Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 05:30 PM EST

I wish people would stop drinking the cool-aid about no one save Peter being able to direct this. I think it is excellent that he will be involved, but his absence in the directors chair will not mean certain failure. How many of you wouldn't have let PJ approach you on the street before the rings films were made??? How many now avid supporters nearly had paralyzing, horror induced strokes when they heard that the Frightners director was going to helm Tolkien's masterpeices?

And how many of you GROANED, MOANED and WAILED about Arwen at the Ford, or the absence of Gandalf's most forceful displays of magic, or the ommission of Glorfindel, or any of the other 50 huge gripes I heard from many fans for the first couple of years/?? None of you are soothsayers.

It is very possible, and indeed likely, that a Jackson produced Hobbit with someone else directing, will be as excellent as one directed by him. It may even be better, as it will have Jackson's vision, but is less likely to be marred by his peculiar humour, as the demise of Denethor was in LOTR.

LOTR Mon, Dec 24, 2007 at 12:21 PM EST

Hi Smaug,

Amen to that ;)

smaug Sun, Dec 23, 2007 at 11:16 PM EST

Oh ok thats all i need to know =) they would be good movies and i think Jackon will be useing some of the tales from the silmarillions stories because they base the tales of the hoobit and the lord of the rings and most of the rest of them. i did read a little bit of the unfinushed tales and im going to finish them. i think this second movie will be great and he cant make it without the silmarillion and unfinished tales and it probably will be about the appendixes. so yes some stories and seens will be made im sure like the last alliance battle in the beginning of the fellowship of the ring.

LOTR Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 01:20 PM EST

I think that with a bit of trimming (in terms of time-period), the silmarillion would be really good. Lúthien and Beren would be alive right up into the time of the Fall of Gondolin, and the sons of feanor as well as many of the other characters would be consist throughout all the movies, whether three or five. Why not a new franchise after LOTR? All that need be said is that its set long before LOTR, and apart from that I don't see any need to try and link the two, different periods, different people, different three-five movies.

LOTR Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 01:04 PM EST

When you think about it, the main tales of the Silmarillion (seen in unfinished tales) would be really good in the cinema. The only dense part is the mythological aspects, but the films need only concern the backstory with Feanor and the jewels.

If LOTR worked, I don't see why a new franchise in three-five parts wouldn't work.

But thats just my POV, cheers!

LOTR Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:54 PM EST

Hi Smaug

Thanks for the reply! Actually I wasn't thinking of linking the Silmarillion to LOTR,but as a totally new franchise of five movies all dealing with the fate of the silmarils. All the best stories (Beren Luthien, tuor etc.) all happen in the same century, so I think that it could really work, there's some great stuff there that would work even better than LOTR on the cinema. The previous bulk of the silm would be told in the intro, leaving only the final chapters, starting from Beren and Luthien.

Ann Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 09:36 AM EST

The Hobbit and LOTR fans need Jackson and his team other directors are not acceptable, we will wait. I would like to see The Silarillion as a movie. How about another three part movie series done at the same time, it worked quite well for LOTR.

Steve Fri, Dec 21, 2007 at 12:48 AM EST

I am looking forward to any LoTR project involving PJ. To the guy who was talking about re-using Ian Holme as Bilbo: The technology that they use to de-age people has only been used in short scenes in a few movies. While I believe WETA is great at special effects, its a long way from a 5 minute effects shot to de-aging the star of the movie for 3 hours while also shrinking him to 3 feet tall. I think they are going to have to cast a new actor as young Bilbo, especially for all the stunts that he is going to have to do.

Orca Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 09:24 PM EST

"The Hobbit" without The Jackson is like "BtVS" without The Whedon.

Nonethless, Del Toro is the best man from those rumoured to be involved -he has the same horror sensibilities and inventiveness and growing maturity. I'm sure the production values and art direction will still be high, but nonetheless I'm concerned that, with expectations so high, this could be "The Phantom Menace" all over again (eek!)

Re other Tolkien movies to be made, I love JRR as much as the next lit geek but really guys - Hollywood actually needs to make money from these films!

Brandon Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 08:06 PM EST

Thank You, God! The Hobbit is finally comming!

turgon Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 07:42 PM EST

The Silmarrilion has to be used for the gap-bridging movie, it's the only way to stay faithful to what Tolkien intended, otherwise the movie would basically be based on some form of fan-fiction. Plus, as some of the other comments here mentioned, some of the events in it would be awesome to see on screen. I especially think The Downfall of Numenor would be great as a stand-alone movie.

Mark Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 06:42 PM EST

I definitely don't like the idea of a new director. I don't care how long I have to wait, I want Jackson directing.

smaug Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 06:41 PM EST

LOTR yes these would all make great films but lets consider that PJ is not going to direct these and that you might loose the audience in confusion (the people that have only seen the movies) considering all of these would be Pre-sequel film. Intrest would easily be lost. I think The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings and that second film (whatever its going to be) is good enough. The Audience likes seeing most of the same characters in the movies i mean adding in all of these other characters like hurin and huor and tuor and all of this would baffel the audience because they wont see how it is related to Lord of the Rings at all. I love your love of Tolkien but comon! lets be realistic! The silmarillion was great showing the history of middle earth but not many people are intrested of that becoming a movie ecspecially the ones WHO HAVN'T READ THE BOOKS. I dont even think PJ is that intrested in lord of the rings to make anything other then what he has already planned to make.

LOTR Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 04:47 PM EST

Oh I forgot one more beautiful story of Tolkien "The Legend of Amroth and Nimrodel" please see Unfinished Tales and LOTR, its brilliant and would also make a great film...

smaug Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 03:54 PM EST

so. whoever you are, are you saying that Del Toro is a better choice than Pj? make up a name so you know that i'm talking to you. (person who did post: Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 2:46 PM EST)

Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 02:46 PM EST

I could see Del Toro doing a terrific job. What's most important, imho, is to keep Hugo Weaving, McKellan, Tyler, Mortenson, Serkis, Lee, and above all, Ian Holm as Bilbo. And before anyone thinks I'm wrong, and I'm definitely not wrong about this, let me point out that an FX team that can creat the eye candy of LotR can easily tweak these actors to make them look decades younger. The same thing was done in X-men 3 when the opening showed a young McKellan and Patrick Stewart. Same technology made Hannibal look younger in the opening flashback of Red Dragon. Jackson and his crew must write the thing, but to really make it a unified film franchise, for god's sake: Ian Holm as Bilbo! Oh, and one other thing--why can't the Hobbit story simply be told faithfully in two movies with only a bit more Rivendell and Wizard council added--it's an incredibly satisfying and cinematic story on its own. And what a perfect ending. Don't change that by watering it all down.

smaug Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 01:34 PM EST

I think that the hobbit and theother film will be good and most of you do to. Michel Daw has some pretty good points and same with J Mcdhomnail but i just want to say to j that most directors are nothing till they come out with an epic movie that makes them famous but your other points show me that you used your head alot. We need Peter Jackson to be in this film as the director no matter what, yes there are good directors out there but none of them can capture the sight a feel peter jackson did and most people, thatr i have talked to on other EW blogs and most people on this blog beleive PJ should direct the movie. I, personally, think that Pans Labyrinth was a little strange and maybe it was a little to... artistic for my mind to handle and i could'nt really follow what was going on and I think if Pj and the director of Pans Labyrinth were to work together that would be fine but PJ has to be the director to catch the sight and feel he mastered

Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 01:11 PM EST

I'm curious as too whom they are going to choose as Aragorn and Arwen this time around...(for the sequel)

Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 01:06 PM EST

What about the name of the movies?

I think that the title, "The Hobbit" will have to be substituted for something that has to do with the rise of Sauron and the backstory.

The Quest of Erebor, is Tolkien's other name for the hobbit...

Mike Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 01:00 PM EST

Tin-Tin instead of the Hobbit, Peter? Really? REALLY??? Isn't that the opposite of what should be done?

I agree it won't be the same without him, and that Peter Jackson should definitely direct. After watching how Raimi screwed up Venom in SM3 just because he was never a fan of the character, it doesn't bode well for any characters in Hobbit he might not like. At least Peter was always respectful of the material, with any changes designed so that the story was easier to adopt on film or to clarify a little bit more.

I, for one, will be awfully disappointed if Peter doesn't direct.

Antinous Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 12:55 PM EST

I'm not at all worried about a second film. Tolkien wrote vast amounts of prose/notes that didn't make it into The Hobbit or LOTR (or only made the appendices), spawning an apparently eternal cottage industry for his descendants. Why shouldn't I get to see Estel and Arwen plighting their troth on Cerin Amroth, or the White Council driving the Necromancer from Dol Guldur? Have another bowl of mead and relax!

S.D. Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 12:17 PM EST

2 movies should just about do it. I really don't think it's about money, though. The Hobbit (if done correctly) should be better than LOTR. It will take at least 2 movies to go through all of the events: Gandalf recruiting Bilbo, the confrontation with the cave trolls (the ones that turned to stone), the battle with the giant spiders, the battle between the eagles and the orcs/wargs, the battle with Smaug, and the HUGE battle scene at the end. Have I left anything out? There's no way this can be contained within one movie if it is to be done correctly.

luke Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 11:47 AM EST

Hey Tal, what's the big error? I quote "Jackson took the battle to the LOTR fansite TheOneRing.net". Don't be so defensive, and try reading more carefully.

Pelargir1 Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 11:11 AM EST

Completely agree with Megster's statement. PJ's role will be key in the success of the Hobbit movie. I too don't agree on 2 films but it's all about money... Sad. I don't think Tolkien would have approved of this, even with PJ's creative mind. Tolkien is Tolkien.

Megster Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 10:43 AM EST

Still, I think pretty much everyone agrees that these movies CANNOT happen with PJ at the helm, right? I mean, he brought Middle Earth to life, anyone else is just going to screw it up.

Michel Daw Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 10:10 AM EST

Additional Back Story items (continued):
Bilbo Baggins is born.
Aragorn II, descendant of Aranarth first Chieftain of the Dúnedains, is born. His mother calls him Estel ("hope") and sends him to live with Elrond.
Thorin Oakenshield and Gandalf visit Bilbo in the Shire. Bilbo joins the Dwarves' quest to retake the treasures of Erebor. Among his many adventures, Bilbo meets Gollum and finds the One Ring.
Bard of Esgaroth slays Smaug the dragon with the aid of Bilbo. The Battle of the Five Armies—Men, Elves, Dwarves, Goblins, and Eagles— is fought over Smaug's treasure. Thorin Oakenshield dies in battle, and Dain of the Iron Hills becomes King under the mountain. .
The White Council meets again and Saruman, hoping to keep Sauron from finding the One Ring, agrees to attack Dol Guldur. Sauron abandons Dol Guldur.

Michel Daw Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 10:08 AM EST

Additional Back Story items for The Hobbit Movie:
Smaug the Dragon descends on Erebor (the Lonely Mountain) and expels the dwarves. Thror escapes with Thrain II and Thorin II.
While traveling to Erebor, Thrain II (now Dwarf King) is captured and imprisoned by the "Necromancer" in Dol Guldur (fortress in Mirkwood); the last of the Seven Rings of Power belonging to the Dwarves is taken from him.
Gandalf enters Dol Guldur, and confirms his suspicion that the "Necromancer" is Sauron. He learns that Sauron is gathering the Rings and seeking the One Ring. Gandalf also finds Thrain and receives the key of Erebor from him. Thrain dies.
The White Council meets and Gandalf presses for an attack on Dol Guldur. Saruman overrules him and begins to discreetly search for the Ring near the Gladden Fields, where it was lost by Isildur, and later 'found' by Gollum.
The White Tree of Gondor dies and is left standing. No seedling can be found.

Stephen Cant Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 09:32 AM EST

Alot of people are talking about the influence of Peter Jackson, while i'd prefer for him to direct himself, if there is a new director they need their own autonomy or what you'll get is a fractured take on the hobbit and this bridge film. Peter jackson got so much freedom to make lotr and that's why it was so good and the new director needs that too. What Peter can do as producer is make sure that the best props ect are provided for the new director, do alot of the behind the scenes stuff and making sure it's up to quality and provide info on continuity. Honestly Jackson provides these thing just by being the producer because, without lifting a finger, he will provide the same team that made lotr and who bring such a high quality and dedication, especially for these films, to their work.

Shatter24 Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 09:06 AM EST

The most annoying thing is that Jackson is going to do TinTin, a comic strip from overseas using motion-capture craptology, instead of working on the Hobbit as director. I understand he is filming and must complete Lovely Bones, but TinTin can wait or can be handled ably by Spielberg.

If the fight hadn't gotten so nasty back in '06-'07, the commitment to TinTin never would have happenned and Jackson would be in-line to direct this movies.

Once again corporate America getting in the way of artistic expression. Hopefully Jackson can find a good director to replace him and stays involved (including adapting the book).

bill Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 12:49 AM EST

Michael Daw, good stuff!!

bill Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 12:45 AM EST

Nix, a sequel to The HObbit could TOTALLY work. It would have to be done right, but if so, HUGE! Think about it. There IS a lot between The Hobbit and LOTR that happens. And during The Hobbit. Council of the Wise. Sauron returning. Saruman officially going bad. AND finally a chance to see Tom B. Why not? No, it's not text book, but if done right, could be good. The purists will freak. So what.

smaug Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 10:41 PM EST

Michael daw i like your points and suggestions

smaug Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 10:35 PM EST

OMG I cant wait for these movies to come out!! Peter Jackson is a great director and i think he will work his magic on these sequels as he did with the other LotR films. I'm absolutly ecstatic to be hearing about this! Peter is also going to be directing some other really good movies like the Lovely Bones (2008). What a drama story this all has been, the lawsuit and everything. I'm sure that PJ will make these films as much of a sucess as he did with The Two Towers and The Return of the King. Hopefully he keeps his plans and nothiong else pops up to stop him. I don;t know how he is going to pull of tow films though, I mean, i thought just the Hobbit would be good enough. I dont see how he could make a relation between the fellowship of the ring and the hobbit. I dont know about this tow film thing but hopfully he pulls it off and it becomes great also. maybe he needs to think more about the silmarrilion and some of the Unfinished tales but i guess we'll see how this turns out 2 years->

J McDhomnaill Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 09:53 PM EST

Obviously, many people don't know what a producer's job is. It is not what you saw in Mal Brooks' movie, a producer is kind of like the project manager of a film. So Peter Jackson producing and planning the production with any director will be fine. WETA will still do the FX, Peter and Fran will still write the script, etc. Don't nay-say a production just because you've convinced yourself that ONLY so-and-so can do it, that's ignorant. Raimi, Del Toro, and Cuaron, incidentally, are all MUCH better directors as a whole than Jackson. Jackson's movies were all pretty much junk until LOTR, and frankly, since as well. King Kong was ok, he's not become the Lucas or Spielberg everyone would like to make him out to be. I'm sure with New Line and MGM EXECUTIVE producing (as in, the guys with the checkbook) the Hobbit films will compliment the LOTR trilogy greatly.

Stoutheart Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 08:14 PM EST

Well I for one think that The hobbit just HAS to be written by Jackson, Walsh, and Boyen. I just don't think that anyone could really do it justice. I'm not totally sure it would be a requirement for Jackson to be the director. There are tons of great directors out there although Jackson would be the best overall choice. I am even willing to wait for years if needed to get this combination of minds together again on this film. I don't mind the idea of a "new story" being created to tie the Hobbit to LOTR. I think most fans would accept it just fine as long as some details tie into information available in the books. Once again, the films are a different creation than the books and that needs to be understood by everyone. I think LOTR book fans understand this for the most part, and if they don't then they won't go see it... no big deal, there will still be tons of other fans!!!

Bob Romanelli Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 05:37 PM EST

Everyone seems up in the air about the sequel to The Hobbit. Are Peter and Fran going to make it all up out of thin air? I think not. If Jackson and team move back in time, as did the Star Wars saga, they could easily find wonderful material in Quenta Silmarillion to span the history of this great controversy between the powers of light and the forces of darkness and bridge The Hobbit into the War of the Ring from both distant history and future unfolding. Not to worry. The sequel will be fabulous!

KG McKOOL Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 04:46 PM EST

After being blugeoned for 9 hours of the last 3 films,I don't really care.I have seen enough.

Amy Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 03:38 PM EST

Alright, PJ! We're definitely moving in the right direction! You are the only director that I would consider. Producer won't have enough creative control on the films. Hopefully that decision will become more apparent as you get closer to filming. Tolkien loves you and so do I!

Portia Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 02:49 PM EST

I doubt the sequel would be "made up" by Peter and Fran. There is plenty of material to pull from in the trilogy and the appendices to fill in much of the time gap between "The Hobbit" and "Lord of the Rings."

Michel Daw Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 02:18 PM EST

Possible Plot Point (continued):
Frodo Baggins is born.
Birth of Boromir son of Denethor II, steward of Gondor.
Aragorn enters Lorien and meets Arwen again. He gives her the ring of Barahir, and they promise to marry.
Gollum reaches the confines Mordor. He is tortured, interrogated, and eventually "escapes." He then becomes acquainted with the great spider Shelob.
Theoden becomes King of Rohan.
Saruman risks using one of the seeing stones and is unknowingly enslaved to the will of Sauron.
Then comes Bilbo's 111th birthday party.

Michel Daw Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 02:16 PM EST

Possible Plot Points for the second movie:
Bilbo returns to the Shire and begins to write his memoirs, the first volume of the Red Book.
Sauron returns to Mordor.
Bard rebuilds Dale and becomes King. Gollum leaves the Mountains and begins his search for his "precious".
Sauron openly declares his presence and gathers his forces and sends three Nazgûl to hold Dol Guldur. Gollum heads toward Mordor in his search.
Elrond reveals to his ward "Estel" his true name and heritage and presents him with the greatest heirloom of Arnor, the shards of the ancient sword Narsil. Arwen, returning from Lorien, meets Aragorn in the woods. They fall in love, but Aragorn leaves to prove his worthiness as a suitor to Elrond.
Last meeting of the White Council. Saruman fortifies Isengard and sets spies on Gandalf.
Gandalf and Aragorn meet and become friends.
Aragorn serves both the king of Rohan and the Steward of Gondor, and protects the land of Eriador from the minions of Sauron.

Llark Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 01:51 PM EST

Of course we want more and more and more !
I am curious about the second movie.
May be details about the fall of Dol Guldur ?
The details from the long elrond council in the book ? (ringwraiths looking for rings at Erebor)
The fall of saruman, denethor.
Aragorn as Thorondil ?

please more ! :)

Philip Rutter Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 01:35 PM EST

Oh, no. PLEASE- it's too late to change now, but PLEASE, let the new characters discover SHAMPOO - or at least soap- and PLEASE let the women do more than whimper in the background... Around here, we refer to Peter, and Aragorn, and Faramir, and Boromir, and Denethor, and Eomer,and.. - as "oh, look it's Dirty-Hair-In-The-Face - again." PLEASE - not again.

Richard Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 01:13 PM EST

Rather than indulge in creating a "sequel" to Tolkien's first Middle earth story, why not make a connecting series of films using The Silmarillion? That is the logical prequel to all stories of Middle Earth?

Mark Freedman Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 12:50 PM EST

Brad, I saw no one else answered... Yes, Peter lost a LOT of weight during the filming of King Kong, from what I understand. Supposedly, he ate granola a lot, and really overworked, which sped up the process. His losing the weight was actually a motivator for myself (which was also a success ;))

Traci Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 12:41 PM EST

Since Peter isn't directing, PLEASE let Guillermo del Toro direct!! He has an amazing vision. Jackson and De Toro style's would make this film absolutely perfect!!

Mike Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 12:04 PM EST

I'm willing to wait until Peter Jackson is free to write and direct The Hobbit films.

LOTR Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 11:48 AM EST

Oh and of course:

The Rings of Power trilogy:

1. The Rise of Sauron
2. The Fall of Numenor
3. The Last Alliance

LOTR Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 11:47 AM EST

Ok in conclusion:

The Hobbit
A sequel -Appendices

The Silmarillion:
The War of the Jewels
The Union of Maedhros
The Children of Húrin (also telling of Tuor reaching Gondolin)
The Fall of Gondolin (of Doriath, its fall, Beren and Lúthien with the ents, the wanderings of Hurin, the fall of gondolin etc.)
The War of Wrath (The voyage of Earendil etc.)

i think that newline wouldnot only make a packet out of these movies, but also make history at the same time...and darn good movies...

LOTR Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 11:43 AM EST

Oh and mighty I add more fims after that! To complete the cycle a "Rings of Power" trilogy:

1. The Rise of Sauron - going from Numenor to the forging of the rings, the war with Gil-galad and the Elves etc. the capture of Sauron by the numenoreans

2. The Fall of Numenor - of how numenor fell, and its corrupt King rebelled against the Valar etc.

3. The Last Alliance - completes the cycle, and need I say, it would make a fantastic film.

LOTR Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 11:39 AM EST

Also, I beleive that they should also consider the Silmarillion after the two hobbit movies. Beren and Lúthien would be excellent as a film, as would be the Children of Hurin, the Fall of Gondolin and the War of wrath. I think that two movies on Beren and Luthien would be interesting, the first going from the Dagor Bragollach to Lúthien and Huan defeating Sauron and restoring Tol Sirion to its former glory. This movie could be called "The War of the Jewels" which would set the tone for the rest. The next could be called "The Union of Maedhros" going from the defeat of Sauron and climaxing in the battle of unumbered tears and so on...Five movies that I think would be very good (but what do I know)

LOTR Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 11:33 AM EST

I'm actualy very exited about both the Hobbit and the sequel. For one, we will be able to see the true love story of Aragorn and Arwen as Tolkien wrote it in the appendices, although the actor who plays Aragorn will need to be much younger than Viggo(twenty, although by the end he would be forty, hmm...). If you actually look at the appendices, many of the most amazing things are there, that I beleive would translate well into cinema. Personally I think that blending the hobbit in with the proper chronology outlined in the appendices with all the other events after, is the best way of making the film successful and have the "LOTR"ish stamp that made the movies such a big hit five years ago. Tolkien grew to hate the childish nature of the Hobbit, and soon after developed the Lord of the Rings and realised that his first book was set in the same Middle-earth as the Silmarillion, but in a different age. Thus showing the rise of Sauron, the movies can have a more adult atmosphere.

Mossy Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 10:29 AM EST

Can't wait to see more into the Jackson/Walsh hobbit interpretation. Fantastic work with LOTR. They understand and portray Tolkiens work as so many people around the world imagine it when reading the books (and brought the world to a new fanbase of non-Tolkien readers).
Even without the direction of Jackson, he will still be involved enough and stamp his mark, his voice is sure to be heard.
And yes, there've been problems along the way, even if New Line's interest isn't as wholesome as we'd hope after the GC anticlimax, an agreement has been met and the journey set to begin.
Back to NZ for 09 !!

AM Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 10:27 AM EST

Peter Jackson is the only one who can direct The Hobbit or the sequel. Please bring him back. I can wait.

Brian Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 10:24 AM EST

The article did not reference the Onering.ent at Jackson's site.
The fight hit a low point in November 2006 when New Line actually "fired" Jackson from The Hobbit and Jackson took the battle to the LOTR fansite TheOneRing.net, where he posted, “New Line would no longer be requiring our services on The Hobbit.”

Dan Carroll Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 10:22 AM EST

Where is Christopher T in all this?

Brad Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 10:00 AM EST

I'm really looking forward to the Hobbit movie, although I'm a little skeptical about Peter not directing. I think he has a very powerful (and accurate) vision of Middle Earth, and I'd hate to see it fall apart in someone else's hands. But an interview I read elsewhere on this site said he wouldn't pass the reins to someone he wasn't completely comfortable with, so here's hoping!! And on a completely unrelated topic-- did Mr. Jackson lose a bunch of weight? He looks skinny in that picture!

JDKane Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 09:54 AM EST

It’s not requisite that Peter direct. Raimi would do just fine. The CGI technology by 2010 will be vastly superior than when LOTR-cubed was made, so the film will almost invariably have a different look and feel no matter who directs. Moreover, if the film is coming out badly, you don't think Jackson would step in and take it over? He’s still integral to the project after all. Any competent action director can make this film and do it well. I'd love Raimi to take the film. As for the “bridge” film? It has a whiff of phantom menace about it. But, again, trust these guys.

Michael L Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 09:22 AM EST

In terms of the director, while I admire greatly the names that have been associated lately with the project like Del Toro, Cuaron, and Sam Raimi, Peter is the only one who could make sure the look of the film was the same as before especially in the shot selection.

Now as for the "Sequel" to the Hobbit, there is probably few people on this earth who have a more intimate knowledge of the world that Tolkien made so long ago. Therefore I believe that if anyone could make a compelling movie with this premise then it would be Peter.

And yes, as a true fan, I feel that waiting is the only option. We need Jackson and no one else.

AprilleR Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 08:49 AM EST

I don't think that there should be a second film..."The Hobbit" itself is good enough, and if there is a second movie it would distact from what Tolkien wrote....Although having a new movie come out it exciting...

Jeter Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 08:44 AM EST

I have complete faith in Peter and Fran's ability and complete devotion to the work of WETA. These guys are a SuperTeam and will accomplish nothing less than absolute magic. For anyone with doubts...just wait.

Eryn Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 08:30 AM EST

I totally agree with Rachel K, true fans would have no problems waiting for Peter & Co. Let's hope New Line can wait, too, for I truly believe that Peter Jackson and only Peter Jackson is capable of making "The Hobbit" as huge and epic as LotR was.
As for the second movie: considerin that it's PJ we're talking about, I say why not. Give it a chance!

Rachel K Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 08:05 AM EST

I'd be willing to wait four more years to get the exact team that worked on LoTR. Seriously, I'll wait, so will everyone else. This new director thing makes me nervous. It's just a bad idea.

Aaron M. Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 07:50 AM EST

I too am skiddish about an imagined LOTR movie made up by Jackson and Walsh. You could consider it a crime against nature in respects to JRR Tolkien. But, if its in the works, I would be most interested to see how it turns out. Personally, they should consider doing a movie based on The Silmarillion. Perhaps doing a movie surrounding the events of Morgoth, now he was one bad guy, so much more evil than Sauron. But, The Silmarillion is not really considered a true novel, more of less just a collection of works. But seeing Morgoth and his events (including Sauron as his first lieutenant) fleshed out on the big screen would be pretty cool.

Joerg Zahn Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 07:31 AM EST

It doesn't bode well. First of all: Why two films? I don't like this self-made bridge to LOTR at all. Second: Hobbit without P. Jackson's direction is going to be bad. Lastly: All this hassle-ment before even one screen is shot. It doesn't bode well...

Tal Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 02:07 AM EST

It should be noted that there's a big error in this article. TheOneRing.net is NOT Jackson's site. It is a fan site. One with which Jackson has a great deal of communication, but a fan site nonetheless.

Nix Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 09:26 PM EST

I'm excited and scared about that "sequel". Lots of interesting things for LOTR-heads happened, but will it translate? Aragorn's young career as a wandering swordsman? His exploits against the Corsair pirates? (Oh, God, pirates.) Sauron reestablishing himself in Mordor? Why Bilbo adopted Frodo, and Frodo's childhood?

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